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To: Quester; narses
Of course the scriptures present the doctrines you speak of. When one studies the scriptures in depth such doctrines are clearly shown to be evident

Good try. You must not be aware that the Christian Scriptures did not exist when these doctrines were formulated (first two Ecumenical Coucils).

So, the Church Fathers must have studied something else. And since we are at this issue, maybe you could quote those parts of the Scriptures that clearly define Trinity and the Dual Nature of Jesus Christ.

163 posted on 03/17/2004 6:45:53 AM PST by kosta50 (a view of an Orthodox Christian)
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To: kosta50
Good try. You must not be aware that the Christian Scriptures did not exist when these doctrines were formulated (first two Ecumenical Councils).

You must mean that the christian scriptures had yet to be collected and canonized ... for they surely did exist and were circulated and used by the early church ... from the time that the Apostles wrote them.

... maybe you could quote those parts of the Scriptures that clearly define Trinity and the Dual Nature of Jesus Christ.

I'll give it a shot ...

As to Christ's pre-existence ...
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Add in His deity ...
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

168 posted on 03/17/2004 7:31:29 AM PST by Quester
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To: kosta50
... maybe you could quote those parts of the Scriptures that clearly define Trinity and the Dual Nature of Jesus Christ.

What's left is the Personhood and the Deity of the Holy Spirit ...
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
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Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
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Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
... and the Unity of God ...
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

172 posted on 03/17/2004 8:00:34 AM PST by Quester
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