[heyheyhey]

Whew, that's a load off my mind.

I am happy to know that. :)

Some tried to blame the (homo)sexual clerical scandals on the post-Vatican 2 changes. The John Jay report showed that the rise of abuse took place many years prior to the Council. Personally, I blame the so-called "sexual revolution." Although the Catholic Church was hand-picked, for obvious reasons, the whole society was badly affected by it.

I think, it is heretical for any authentic Catholic person to doubt in the continued guidance of the Holy Spirit in the Church. On the two extremes there are "catholics" who acknowledge nothing but Vatican 2 and "catholics" who acknowledge anything but Vatican 2. Both are part of the same heresy, both are wrong and need to familiarize themselves with the teachings of Jesus Christ as proclaimed infallibly in the Roman Catholic Church, watch the Passion of the Christ and repent. :D

[dsc]

"I think, it is heretical for any authentic Catholic person to doubt in the continued guidance of the Holy Spirit in the Church."

However, given what we know of the way God does things, it is hardly thoughtful to discount the possibility of mortal men rejecting and acting contrary to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

God gives us free will; that includes the freedom to act wrongly. Nowhere does He say He will protect any man from all possibility of error or malfeasance.

[rogator]

"The John Jay report showed that the rise of abuse took place many years prior to the Council. "

Are you sure about this? I have not read the whole report but section 2.2 says that 75% of the abuse incidents since 1950 occurred between 1960 and 1984. The worst year group of priests was ordination year 1970 with 10% accused abusers.

[ultima ratio]

Vatican II clearly relaxed standards within the Church which permitted the sex abuse scandals to occur. If you check the statistics, you will see that while a great many of the clerics were ordained before the Council, most of the cases of abuse occurred AFTER the Council.