[SoothingDave]

God doesn't choose one for damnation. We're already damned. This point seems to be lost. Then the people born "for damnation" were chosen for that by God.

If not, how did they come to exist outside of God's sovereign will?

The elect are not prophets nor is everyone filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb.

Then there is somethign different about J the B and Jeremiah. God acted differently for them.

Since you, SD, believe that God "prods" people along you must also believe there are people whose hearts He's hardened who God plans on throwing into Hell. This is NOT my position.

God prods. He does nto compell. That is your position, that God decided beforehand everything. God made Pharoah unreceptive to His people, but it was ultimately Pharoah's decision.

It is the person who believes in a total depravity that must explain how God's sovereignity does not make Him responsible for damnation.

SD

[HarleyD]

"God made Pharoah unreceptive to His people, but it was ultimately Pharoah's decision."

And you say I'm inconsistent?

[ksen]

God prods. He does nto compell. That is your position, that God decided beforehand everything. God made Pharoah unreceptive to His people, but it was ultimately Pharoah's decision.

It is the person who believes in a total depravity that must explain how God's sovereignity does not make Him responsible for damnation.

Unless you want to deny the Omniscience of God then you have the same "problem" to answer. If God knew who would and would not be saved, or however you want to say it, and created the world anyway....then who, really, is doing what God did not intend for them to do?