[the808bass]

This spectacular gift, this wondrous peace, is available to all. Everyone. All over the world. For all time.

(scratches head)

(puzzled look)

Nevermind, maybe it's just me. But I thought that was OUR line.

[jude24]

Dr. E: This spectacular gift, this wondrous peace, is available to all. Everyone. All over the world. For all time.

the808bass: Nevermind, maybe it's just me. But I thought that was OUR line.

Nah, that's just Christianity. Show me an alleged Christian who doesn't believe in a universal, free offer of the gospel extended to all men in good faith, and I'll show you someone who's systematic theology has made a cruel parody of the truth.

Most Calvinists don't deny the universal offer of salvation. The question centers upon the efficaciousness of the atonement -- are the sins of every man, without exception, expiated? The Calvinist says, of course not, some are judged on the basis of those works. A catchphrase we've used is "sufficient for all, applied to the elect." If "elect" scares you, substitute "Christians" or "believers."

Calvinists don't believe the gospel is only offered to the elect, just that only the elect could choose to accept it. It all stems back to "total depravity."

[IMRight]

Nevermind, maybe it's just me. But I thought that was OUR line.

You see? This is why we don't allow any food or beverage in the computer room.