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To: CindyDawg
Yeah I hear you but I also can't see why the God I worship would destine someone to hell at creation. It doesn't fit His pattern.

In what way? He once destroyed the world with water, He once destroyed cities with fire. God is justice, and justice demands judgment

Did you read this post? I tried to explain it there

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1095208/posts?page=2948#2948

Cindy ,every man is destined to Hell until God saves him . If one believes that election is based on foreknowledge then they also have to accept that God created some men knowing that they are destined for hell.

I always hesitate to quote Romans 9, because eyes roll. But it is still a part of the word of God .

If you have time tomorrow read it (no skipping over the tough parts )

All though the Bible God set a people aside for himself. Read Deut 7:7 (I just noticed that it is double 7's ... the number of completion ..kinda funny )

I am going to bed now..I enjoy reading Sproul, he gave a great example of how mercy works from one of his books ..I will try to paraphrase it tomorrow.

nite

3,063 posted on 04/09/2004 9:59:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: SoothingDave; IMRight; RnMomof7
Homework? :'( She obviously doesn't know about my past lol. Oh well, maybe I can go read at the zoo. Nah, I only did that right before tests:')
3,064 posted on 04/09/2004 10:03:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: RnMomof7; CindyDawg
Here's how I see it:

Not a single person in hell is there unjustly, Every single one of us deserved to be judged, because we FREELY embraced sin. I chose, of my own free (if fallen) will to engage in behavior I knew was wrong, but because it seemed "fun," I chose to do it anyway. Every man, woman, or child that ever lived (with a single very notable exception) did likewise.

The difference is that God in His infinate mercy saves SOME. The inmate sitting on death row has no claim to the governor's clemancy just because the governor pardoned the last guy: he still committed a crime deserving the harshest punishment the state can wield. Similarly, God's mercy to you does not oblige him to show it to me. He may show mercy upon whomever He will.

Why might God only choose to save some? In part, that's a mystery to us: the atonement was sufficient for every sin of every man who ever lived. I Jn explicitly says that Christ was the propitiation for the whole world, and I see no reason to try to limit its scope. But God clearly chose not to bring every soul to the point of repentance, though he clearly could do so justly, I believe Romans 9 gives us a clue when it says that God endures the vessels appointed to wrath so as to show the vessels of mercy the glory of God. We would not know mercy if we did not know judgment.

3,070 posted on 04/09/2004 10:40:42 PM PDT by jude24 (Explore the meaning behind THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- www.thelife.com)
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To: RnMomof7; ksen
In what way? He once destroyed the world with water, He once destroyed cities with fire. God is justice, and justice demands judgment

In all those examples He supplied a way of salvation for all men (i.e. Leave the city and dont turn back, get into the ark).

I am saying God has shown His Grace by giving us His Son. He has supplied a way of Salvation. God's Grace is not in giving some the eyes to see, but in providing all of us a Way to see if we only call upon His name. In the Gospels you see blind men asking Jesus for healing, for sight. Jesus does not give them sight without these men first crying out to Him.

JM
3,097 posted on 04/10/2004 7:20:19 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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