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To: rwfromkansas
there is NEVER EVER EVER a Scripture used to support the contention that God has excercised his will by giving us a free will and removing the consequences of the fall.

I disagree.

See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil.
If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you this day, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them,
I declare to you this day, that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land which you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live (Deuteronomy 30:15-19)

He only chooses us out of his grace, not because he sees anything in us.

And, according to this theology, the fate of those He doesn't choose is???

According to Arminian theology, those who get in heaven are lucky.

I see it exactly the opposite.

2,964 posted on 04/09/2004 3:59:19 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: malakhi
Interesting verse, but it just shows you don't understand what goes behind the scenes. That is an outward call, not an inward call.

Only an inward call is effectual. God begins the good work. God turns our hearts. We don't do it ourselves.
2,980 posted on 04/09/2004 4:37:40 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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