[JohnnyM]

I believe in full blown eternal security and that no one can fall out of the hands of God. We are a new creation born into sonship. We can no ways be unborn or lose this sonship than your son could ever cease being anything other than your son, or lose his sonship.

JM

[ksen]

Give that man a -P!

Does that mean you are a _-_-_-_-P one-pointer? ;^)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That's encouraging. Although I could disown my son legally, and he would no longer be my son, which is why we shouldn't equate God, our heavenly Father, with our earthly fathers 100%. And God goes to great lengths to explain that sonship is no longer determined by "bloodlines" but by faith in Christ, so that we are related to God now by His eternal decree and not our genes. But I get what you're saying.

So if you are now saved forever, and cannot be lost, do you believe you were always His? Before you were born, were you among the elect?