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To: the808bass
Judas chose evil.

Everything about Jesus' sacrifice went according to God's plan.

Jesus was delivered up by the determinate counsel of God, and yet Peter still says His accusers are responsible for their actions, including Judas.

2,810 posted on 04/09/2004 4:19:44 AM PDT by ksen (This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
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To: ksen
Judas chose evil.

Everything about Jesus' sacrifice went according to God's plan.
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: - Acts 2:23
Jesus was delivered up by the determinate counsel of God, and yet Peter still says His accusers are responsible for their actions, including Judas.


I'd say that everything that made Judas Judas (up to that point in his life) ... mandated that he make the choice that he did.

Such a choice would have intrinsic to his nature.

If he had made any other choice, ... why then, ... he wouldn't have been Judas.


A related question ...

What, in your opinion, was the reason for God's fatherly dialogue with Cain while he was angry that God accepted his brother's sacrifice and not his ?
Genesis 4:2b And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted ? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

2,820 posted on 04/09/2004 7:20:12 AM PDT by Quester (The mills of God may grind slowly, ... but they grind exceedingly fine.)
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To: ksen
Jesus was delivered up by the determinate counsel of God, and yet Peter still says His accusers are responsible for their actions, including Judas.

The fact that God's plans are acted out in the course of Human history is no more a point in favor of Calvinism than it is Arminianism. You will disagree with me. But that is because you are a Calvinist. Heilgeshicte is the wondrous plan of God through time and space and it has been enacted exactly as the Almight has seen fit. And yet human clay has been part of that process. Not in the role of a marionette, but as an active participant, choosing to do both evil and good, God knowing each step which would be taken at every turn and yet still allowing choice to be made.

2,996 posted on 04/09/2004 6:54:59 PM PDT by the808bass
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