[IMRight]

we are born sinners, then how can God punish me for doing something according to my nature?

Not to steal Kevin's thunder, but this assumes we have a natural "neutral" destination and that He11 is a "punishment".

It also presupposes than - apart from the fall - our natural destination would be Heaven. This is simply not the case.

[SoothingDave]

Not to steal Kevin's thunder, but this assumes we have a natural "neutral" destination and that He11 is a "punishment".

A better question is why would a just God make eternal torment the destination for creatures following their natures? Assuming, as the Calvinist does, that the creature can do no other but to sin.

Hell as a punishment for freely chosen disobedience makes sense. As a natural end to human nature as we are born into it, less so.

SD

[JohnnyM]

the point I was trying to make is that I am a sinner from the womb. No action on my part has made me a sinner. I sin because I am a sinner. It is my nature to sin. I am born a sinner. With that being the case, no action on my part has damned me to Hell, because I was damned to Hell from the womb.

JM