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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
AP ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi

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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it was skipped.

It wasn't just "not mentioned". There is no gap in the story where you can infer "oh, they must have consumed another cup of wine during that textual pause". No, they sang the little Hallel (which immediately preceeds the fourth cup) and "went out into the night". Christ also said He would NOT drink again right after He had the third. Did He forget and drink the fourth?

3,601 posted on 04/12/2004 10:40:55 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: HarleyD
Are you saying that John the Baptist (or Jeremiah) could have "lost" their salvation?

That's exactly what I am saying. The only way to know that you are one of the elect is to act like it.

SD

3,602 posted on 04/12/2004 10:42:41 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: RnMomof7
Not wanting to get suspended for flaming, unless one of you have any proof that it was one of us, you need to stop the accusations that we did it or we want the thread killed or that we have some "secret agenda".

I don't think that anyone has accused you of having a secret agenda.


It was only that, ... after being warned of impending shutdown on a thread that appeared to be staying within mod limits, ... there was a question as to why.

It seems that something was going on which, ... to this point, noone has been able to figure out.

I think that qualifies as someone having a possible secret agenda, though, as yet, we still don't know who.

I believe that you have said as much yourself on a recent post, ... though, of course, you were a bit more specific.

P.S. I identified no poster(s) when I responded back to JimRob's warning. I only posited that the warning of impending thread closure seemed strange, given the current relative non-volativity of the thread.

I asked them to check the thread themselves to verify that any complaints that had been made to them were valid before they took action to shut the thread down.

3,603 posted on 04/12/2004 10:42:58 AM PDT by Quester (Is this a trick question ?)
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To: SoothingDave
Me-"Now, can you explain to me that if one needs to make a "profession of faith" why these two were saved before they were born? No one has yet."

SD-"Your TULIPs are all connected, in a bizarre circular way."

Just one more thing on this. For 30 years I could never figure out many of these types of verses (and there's a lot). The natural conclusion by theologians is to say that God works differently for different people. There are no theological answers and they are often ignored just as you have done. It was only after understanding the sovereignty of God and God's election that I now understand how God can choose someone in the womb to do His work.

God doesn't work any different in choosing you or me as He did in choosing Jeremiah or John the Baptist.

3,604 posted on 04/12/2004 10:43:13 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: RnMomof7
The paranoia here is incredible Cindy

"Ain't" it the truth lol. I think it is a freeper requirement. However I'm not the one going around thinking Mal after yall. As I posted earlier the Mods watching us. They may have found those posts all by their littles selves:')

What you fail to see is there is division..Light and dark. I did not cause that nor encourage that . I do not "write anyone off". It is not my job to save or condemn, that is Gods.

MMMMMMMM. Keep one post between us , ok? :')

3,605 posted on 04/12/2004 10:43:43 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
And how exactly would you lose your salvation?
3,606 posted on 04/12/2004 10:44:09 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: HarleyD
BTW SD, and I know this may seem heartless in our PC culture of today, but unlike MANY of the Calvinists I don't know whether every baptized baby is saved. And, quite frankly, neither does anyone else.

Baptism is Christian initiation. It is required for salvation. But that doesn't mean that everyone who has ever been baptised is "saved." It merely provides the beginning. We must still "walk in the light."

SD

3,607 posted on 04/12/2004 10:44:45 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: RnMomof7
I forgot another point. Remember that Christ did not just drink the sour wine because He was thirsty. Of course He was thirsty - He must have been incredibly thirsty for hours yet specifically refuse offers of wine. He asked for it here specifically "to fulfill the prophesy".

What "prophesy" do you see that fulfilling?

3,608 posted on 04/12/2004 10:44:51 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: OLD REGGIE
Has it ever occurred to you that an investigation of the changes caused by "development of doctrine" and "historical growing of a consensus" could lead to what you call "de-construction" in order to return to the full truth?

Depends on what the "full truth" is.

SD

3,609 posted on 04/12/2004 10:46:08 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight
Doesn't matter much to me but it seems to me he was observant Jew. I would tend to believe he didn't stop after the third and meant he wouldn't drink it again after that night. But carry on my wayward son.
3,610 posted on 04/12/2004 10:47:18 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: RnMomof7
Sorry again. I suspect that was "to fulfill the Scripture", not "the prophesy".
3,611 posted on 04/12/2004 10:47:40 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: HarleyD
The natural conclusion by theologians is to say that God works differently for different people.

God can indeed, and does, work differently with different people. And I'm sure He can and does compell actions and attitudes in order to move along history. But I don't generalize from the fact that God can and does act in history to extrapolate that only God can act, can choose, has a will that will be done.

If God wants to raise up a prophet, He will. I don't think that automatically means that none of us are free agents.

SD

3,612 posted on 04/12/2004 10:49:59 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Doesn't matter much to me but it seems to me he was observant Jew.

Sorry... you can't take Christ with you on your little spiritual journey. He's staying right here. :-)

Of course He was "an observant Jew" in the "true" sense of the phrase. But, since He claimed to be God (among other claims), he wouldn't fall into the "jewish" definition of "observant Jew" today.

3,613 posted on 04/12/2004 10:50:46 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: IMRight
What other verses of Scripture are not inspired?

What do you mean by "inspired"?

Paul is generally pretty clear when he is speaking for himself as in "I do not permit", "I believe", "I think", and the like.

Do you think Paul was inspired when he said (celibacy required) the unmarried should remain so and the married should act as if they were single?

3,614 posted on 04/12/2004 10:51:16 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: RnMomof7
Why the sudden change of mind? Cindy. I find it interesting that the Calvinists were accused of pinging the mod..BY YOU and when I agreed it would be good to see just who did ping who..you suddenly did not like your own idea. May I ask why?

I always like my ideas:') However I'm not your puppy and I'm not going to fetch for you. I just suggested you quit telling me what you thought Mal did and just go ask him yourself. Sigh. For someone who wants to discuss theology with every breath you sure are spending a lot of time playing "who did it".

3,615 posted on 04/12/2004 10:51:30 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: HarleyD
And how exactly would you lose your salvation?

Well, in your estimation, you wouldn't. A person who ends up damned has always been so, even if they appeared to walk on the path of righteousness for a time.

Read 1 John. He tells us that if we walk on the path, we will have our sins removed. That means that if we do not do so, we will be guilty. Someone could buy into this "Once Saved Always Saved" notion and believe themselves one of the "elect." But if they fall into sin and die that way, they will go to hell. Regardless of what they believed earlier.

The poiint is that it's nice to know that those "saved" in the end are a class of people that God has known and chosen. But for our lives, we best be concerned with walking in the light.

SD

3,616 posted on 04/12/2004 10:53:03 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight
Not much has changed regarding the passover celebration the past 2,000 years.
3,617 posted on 04/12/2004 10:53:11 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OLD REGGIE
"John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. "

Don't you believe that people can go to heaven outside of Christ? That Christianity is just one way.

If Jesus has the authority of God, then why do you not believe Him here?

JM
3,618 posted on 04/12/2004 10:53:12 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: OLD REGGIE
Do you think Paul was inspired when he said (celibacy required) the unmarried should remain so and the married should act as if they were single?

I believe Paul WAS inspired, yes. I don't agree with your depiction of what he said, but ....

Does "should" now imply a commandment to you? Or was there perhaps more to that verse?

3,619 posted on 04/12/2004 10:54:39 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: Alex Murphy
Mz. Dawg to you :') See my post to mom. I would have cced you too but I hadn't got to your posts yet. Do yall ever read what you post? No wonder you get banned so much. Attack, attack , attack, and then attack again.
3,620 posted on 04/12/2004 10:55:19 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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