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To: Maximilian
According to Cardinal George, it was illicit. Now, the fact they still used it for Sundays certainly says something. Daily Mass was hosts. I think I can safely say, that in terms of Adults (30+), I have the most liberal communist parish in the entire country. What I am saying, is that this is a priest who wanted kneeling when he came, but the community didn't kneel cause it wasn't there thing. They are grudgingly kneeling now, and I know it isn't that hard (though they make enough noise, you'd think we asked them to do something bigger). But from talking to the Cardinal and telling him the situation, he said it was illicit, he finally put his foot down and demanded conformity to rubrics, and thankfully, he has since gotten conformity. Though the adults (30+) are still the most progressive liberal group in the country.

Do we just leave them? I think the answer is no, one has to drag them kicking and screaming back to Orthodoxy, one little issue at a time. So, according to Cardinal George it was illicit, but so are Masses with hand-holding, no "lavabo," glass chalices, etc. Still trying to figure out what my next project will be.
22 posted on 03/06/2004 10:14:39 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
According to Cardinal George, it was illicit.

Depending on the actual recipe, it could be either illicit or invalid. How did Cardinal George know the exact ingredients? Here is a 1979 statement by the Vatican:

"As early as 1979 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith became alarmed over the unauthorized practice in the United States of celebrating Masses with invalid matter and urged its bishops to correct the abuses. On June 4, 1979, Franjo Cardinal Seper, Prefect of the Congregation for the Faith, in a letter directed to Archbishop John R. Quinn, then president of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, among other important items, the following:

". . . It may be helpful to note that recipes sent to the Sacred Congregation over the past several years vary greatly in the matter of "additions"; where there is question of slight additions (e.g. salt, condiments) the matter will be valid but illicit; where there is question of substitution of all or a large quantity of water by other liquids (e.g. milk, eggs, honey, etc.) the matter will be invalid . . . .

It is recommended to the Bishops of the United States that they recall to their priests the need to satisfy any obligation deriving from Masses celebrated with invalid matter. These decisions were approved by His Holiness, Pope John Paul II in the audience of May 11th 1979.12


25 posted on 03/06/2004 10:28:47 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: NWU Army ROTC
So, according to Cardinal George it was illicit, but so are Masses with hand-holding, no "lavabo," glass chalices, etc

Hand-holding and glass chalices does not render a Mass illicit.

31 posted on 03/06/2004 2:35:16 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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