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To: tame
>If it were any other man, he may not have made it. But because it was Jesus, and because he was taking on the sins of the whole world...

This business (old stuff)
of turning Christ's suffering
into an idol

flat out contradicts
Christ's specific instructions
to us of His death!

In another thread,
I made this simple point and
gave the Scripture quote:

And for the people
who want to wallow in the
grief and blood and pain,

remember "Gospel"
means good news and Jesus said
we should be happy:
"Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. You have heard Me say to you, "I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, "I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I. "And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe."

[John 14:27-29]

53 posted on 03/01/2004 2:50:01 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
This business (old stuff) of turning Christ's suffering into an idol

Straw man argument. This movie is not an idol any more than the cross was an idol for the apostle Paul (even though Paul specifically stated that "glories in the cross). Rather this movie a teaching tool.

And for the people who want to wallow in the grief and blood and pain...

That is a bizarre micharacterization. We don't wallow in the pain, we rejoice because of the beautiful love he demonstrated by suffering for us. This movie beautifully depicts that.

remember "Gospel" means good news and Jesus said we should be happy:

1) The good news is exactly what is depicted in the movie. See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. How are you defining "good news".

2) Jesus never said he "wants us to be happy". IN fact he specifically said we would be persecuted, and suffer for him.

Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. You have heard Me say to you, "I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, "I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I. "And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe."

You don't seem to understand the context of his comment, specifically, that he will come back and receive us to himself. BTW, this movie encourages love, joy and peace in the viewer by demonstrating that our sins have been covered once and for all on the cross.

I suggest you spend more time studying before making such negative comments, and bizarre mischaracterizations..

Have you seen the film?

54 posted on 03/01/2004 3:32:27 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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