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Wounds of Christ -- 5,480 [The Fifteen Prayers of St. Bridget of Sweden}
Monks of Adoration.org ^ | March 29, 1992 | Brother John Raymond

Posted on 02/29/2004 11:44:03 PM PST by Salvation

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I've been looking for documentation on the claim of the wounds Christ received during his Passion and Death.

Finally found it.

1 posted on 02/29/2004 11:44:04 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation
OK, everyone. Now tell me that Gibson's "The Passion of The Christ" depicts and exxageration of the passion of Christ.

2 posted on 02/29/2004 11:45:06 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
"I received 5,480 wounds on My Body during My Passion."

3 posted on 02/29/2004 11:48:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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4 posted on 02/29/2004 11:50:01 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Oops.

**depicts and exxageration of the passion of Christ.**

depicts an exxageration of the passion of Christ.

5 posted on 02/29/2004 11:55:29 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Mary -- Prayers of St. Bridget: Our Lady is Seen as Witness to the Wounds of Jesus
6 posted on 03/01/2004 12:05:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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The images below are scans from a small booklet called "The Magnificent Prayers of St. Bridget of Sweden" from TAN publishing. It also has other images and the 15 prayers etc. It was only $2. VERY much worth it.


7 posted on 03/01/2004 1:10:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Salvation
If one was to have an engineer's mind about it, that would average to about one hit every 8 seconds over a 12 hour final ordeal. Not implausible. Now if the estimate came out to one hit every fraction of a second then we would be getting ridiculous.
8 posted on 03/01/2004 1:25:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Salvation
Thanks for the PING.

Please see #7. You mentioned looking for documentation. Outside of Scripture and St. Bridget, THE DOLOROUS PASSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST by Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) is probably the most important. It is on-line at http://www.emmerich1.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm

I heard Mel Gibson mention Emmerich often as a major source, but not St. Bridget.

The image below is from the movie & must have been based on the images from St. Bridgets book (post7). They are too similar--IMO.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/articles/news/?id=040227potc.htm


9 posted on 03/01/2004 1:29:44 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Salvation; All
http://www.emmerich1.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm
10 posted on 03/01/2004 1:30:35 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
We have to remember that each hit caused multiple wounds, cause of the design of the flagellum.

And none of this compares to His Spiritual & Mental Suffering.

http://www.intermirifica.org/lent/passion3.htm

Scourging. Left, Short whip (flagrum) with lead balls and sheep bones tied into leather thongs. Center left, Naked victim tied to flogging post. Deep stripelike lacerations were usually associated with considerable blood loss. Center right, View from above, showing position of lictors. Right, inferomedial direction of wounds.

Health of Jesus

The rigors of Jesus' ministry (that is, traveling by foot throughout Palestine) would have precluded any major physical illness or a weak general constitution. Accordingly, it is reasonable to assume that Jesus was in good physical condition before his walk to Gethsemane. However, during the 12 hours between 9 PM Thursday and 9 AM Friday, he had suffered great emotional stress (as evidenced by hematidrosis), abandonment by his closest friends (the disciples), and a physical beating (after the first Jewish trial). Also, in the setting of a traumatic and sleepless night, had been forced to walk more than 2.5 miles (4.0 km) to and from the sites of the various trials. These physical and emotional factors may have rendered Jesus particularly vulnerable to the adverse hemodynamic effects of the scourging.

SCOURGING Scourging Practices

Flogging was a legal preliminary to every Roman execution, (28) and only women and Roman senators or soldiers (except in cases of desertion) were exempt. (11) The usual instrument was a short whip (flagrum or flagellum) with several single or braided leather thongs of variable lengths, in which small iron balls or sharp pieces of sheep bones were tied at intervals. Occasionally, staves also were used. (8,12) For scourging, the man was stripped of his clothing, and his hands were tied to an upright post. (11) The back, buttocks, and legs were flogged either by two soldiers (lictors) or by one who alternated positions. (5,7,11,28) The severity of the scourging depended on the disposition of the lictors and was intended to weaken the victim to a state just short of collapse or death. (8) After the scourging, the soldiers often taunted their victim. (11)

Medical Aspects of Scourging

As the Roman soldiers repeatedly struck the victim's back with full force, the iron balls would cause deep contusions, and the leather thongs and sheep bones would cut into the skin and subcutaneous tissues. (7) Then, as the flogging continued, the lacerations would tear into the underlying skeletal muscles and produce quivering ribbons of bleeding flesh. (27,25) Pain and blood loss generally set the stage for circulatory shock. (12) The extent of blood loss may well have determined how long the victim would survive on the cross. (3)

11 posted on 03/01/2004 1:48:00 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Salvation
Gibson himself said they had to stop way before the full extent of what they understood the torture to be. He said noone would have been able to sit through a more fully "accurate" depiction.

I think God will use Mel Gibson's film to save many souls. Mel is a great man. God bless him.
12 posted on 03/01/2004 2:00:30 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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Stomach-turningly brutal, no matter what the details.
13 posted on 03/01/2004 4:11:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Salvation
THANK YOU

I knew the number was huge, but I couldn't remember how big.
14 posted on 03/01/2004 4:39:23 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Salvation
Excellent.

This conforms with the image on the Shroud of Turin.

I've looked at this image hundreds of times, but never "saw" the lash strokes, at least not in the same way that I do now after having seen "The Passion of the Christ." They're there.

The image on the Shroud corresponds exactly with the movie's depiction of the scourging. It's breathtaking. My previous understanding of the scourging and crucifixion has simply been obliterated.

15 posted on 03/01/2004 4:42:47 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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My previous understanding of the scourging and crucifixion has simply been obliterated.

It's no longer just words.
16 posted on 03/01/2004 4:45:38 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If one was to have an engineer's mind about it, that would average to about one hit every 8 seconds over a 12 hour final ordeal.

The impossibly high number of lashes can be accounted for by the fact that the Romans were using a flagrum, the equivalent of a "cat o' nine tails." Additionally, The Shroud of Turin shows not only the horrific number of strokes inflicted on Christ's body, but also marks left by the small, dumbell-shaped pieces of iron tied to the end of each flagrum whip which were designed to tear out pieces of flesh.

Interestingly, this specific characteristic of the flagrum was unknown to medieval society.

17 posted on 03/01/2004 4:50:07 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Desdemona
It's no longer just words.

Yes. You know, I used to look down on those "grisly" crucifixes. You know the ones I'm talking about. They seem pretty sanitized now, don't they?

Even my understanding of Jesus' arrest has been transformed. I always pictured Peter walking over to a guard, taking his sword and slicing off his ear. Pretty weird image. And it doesn't make much sense, if you think about it at all. Mel's rendering of the scene certainly makes much more sense.

18 posted on 03/01/2004 4:57:31 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Salvation
Thanks for posting this. I used this book for devotions (and I got it from Tan) for several years.

Very effective...
19 posted on 03/01/2004 4:57:55 AM PST by Judith Anne (Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
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To: Aquinasfan
Just one of those myriad coincidences, I am sure.

= )
20 posted on 03/01/2004 5:00:55 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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