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I've been writing posts and e-mails about this subject for the past three days till I can't think straight. Hopefully this will the the last one I write.

1) Orthodox Jews who know the Torah is from Heaven and that not one single letter or even part of a letter may ever be erased should show a modicum of sensitivity to people who mistakenly believe that the "new testament" in its entirety is also from Heaven. Until chr*stians are made to understand that the "new testament" is not from Heaven they cannot be expected to disobey or alter it. Jews who refuse to tell chr*stians that their religion is false, but who instead are making absolute demands in relativist terms ("let's forget about who's right or wrong, but you always have to make concessions and we never do") is committing a great chillul HaShem because no Bible-beliving chr*stian is going to associate this hypocritical liberal philosophy with genuine Biblical Judaism. Instead, he will be reinforced in his belief that the Jews apostasized from Biblical Judaism when they rejected J*sus.

2) Abe Foxman is not a nice person. To simple people who know only the composite chr*stian bible (ot/nt) his attacks on the gospels are indistinguishable from his attacks on `Aseret HaDibberot (the Ten Commandments). As a matter of fact, according to Don Feder, Foxman has publicly stated that literal interpretation of the "old testament" is as bad as literal interpretation of the gospels. What do naive chr*stians assume from all this? That Jews are not only against the "new testament" but "against the Bible" as a whole. I hope I am not the only Jew or Noachide on this forum who realizes what a great blasphemy this is.

3) Finally, as a former chr*stian myself who realizes the bind Jews are putting chr*stians in by refusing to speak in absolute terms ("we are the true religion") while demanding chr*stians violate the tenets of their religion, I want to go on record once and for all. J*sus deserved to die!!! Blasphemy is a capital offense and only a secular humanist would disagree with this. Under Torah, a Jew who commits blasphemy is to be executed by strangulation. And when Jews are not in a position to carry out Halakhic executions G-d often intervenes to carry them out Himself. How does crucifixion (which is NOT a Halakhic form of punishment) kill? By strangulation!!! G-d carried out the punishment!!!

I know my last point will offend many of you, but that is far better than telling you to go ahead and believe J*sus is G-d but don't obey him. What an unspeakably cruel demand to make of anyone!!! You don't have to obey him or believe the "new testament" because they are not true, and those "tolerant, compassionate" people who will not tell you this but still expect you to change your beliefs and practices are cruel.

You are being led to believe that Judaism opposes the gospels because it opposes Absolute Truth. In fact, it is because it is dedicated to Absolute Truth that it opposes them. I suppose it had to take a non-Jew and a former chr*stian to tell you all this.

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Your position is, indeed, much more respectable than that of Foxman et al. I say this as a Christian who also believes it is completely false, *but* it is good that you consistently defend what you deem to be truth and don't water it down for the sake of some false unity.

ZC - From another non-jew, former Christian, i say...nice to see you in the Religion Forum.

Alouette - Excellent link in #20. Thank you.

ET - pinging you to ZC's comments, and Alouette's link. Just thought you'd appreciate them. ;-)

"Until chr*stians are made to understand that the "new testament" is not from Heaven they cannot be expected to disobey or alter it."

Explain this.

To me, it is not the Christians that have rejected Jesus.

Jesus is the Messiah. He is my Lord and Savior.

End of discussion.

Can we please stop all the in-fighting?

The country... no, scratch that. The world is poised at a precipice not unlike that of 1939, or 1914... or perhaps an amalgam of both incredibly awful periods.

I'm trying to avoid saying "Can't we all just get along together", but really, folks (I'm not talking to "everyone", but the few I'm addressing know who you are), we're about to fall over the cliff, and we're too busy bickering over doctrinal purity.

At the risk of sounding trite, let's save the world first, and then bicker over who helped the most after the nightmare's over.

Note: "save the world" is meant in the colloquial sense, not the spiritual sense, OK? I really do see the world facing the kind of instability it did in the months leading up to WWI, with the kind of horror waiting in the wings that WWII delivered.

Goodness....

I'll be up front with you ZC, although coming from a "simpleminded" Christian like me, I doubt it will have any impact.

You wield your head knowledge like a club and flaunt it like a peacock fanning its tail. But you have no wisdom or depth of heart.

Over the years, I've gone round and round with guys like you, in other venues and over other issues, and learned the hard way it doesn't do any good. So I don't do it anymore. Our time here is too short and too valuable.

You would do well to learn from the Jews at Free Republic who carry weight in my sphere of influence, like Yoni, SJackson, Yehuda, Slings and Arrows, Nachum, Nix 2, and Alouette. With me they model patience, grace, compassion, restraint and wisdom—the attributes of the Heart of G-d.

I didn't come to be a Christian 24 years ago lightly; through whimsical, vacillating notions or superficial terms, nor am I "led to believe" by any man. I met the Living God, and I know exactly what I am talking about. But you're going to straighten me out, huh? Amazing.

Buddy, all you have is religious head knowledge. Let me point this out to you, by using Alouette for example. She's the real deal, a Daughter of the House of Israel. She risks something every day of her life for the Lord, every time one of her kids gets back on a plane and flies into the Land of Israel to live there—and fight there. She stands, not in simple head knowledge, but a faith that impacts the real world, trusting in a living G-d that He will watch over and protect them in the middle of a situation few would willingly go—let alone build a life in.

Therefore, the Orthodox community she represents has my respect and admiration—and speaking on behalf of the Evangelical Christian community, our tangible and vocal support. They are living it. They are dying for it. Their faith isn't an intellectual contest and a pompous pretense to look down their nose at others, it is building a home and a life in The Land because G-d led them so, and they obey.

Studying it till you know it front and back, up and down, forward and backward, doesn't make the grade when the transit buses start blowing up and the Palestinian rockets and bullets are incoming, or you have family living any where near it, any time of the day or night.

The Jewish community knows were I stand. I know where they stand. We stand together because the Nation of Israel is quickly becoming ground zero in the contemporary history of mankind.

Whatta' you got? Who are you?

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