I'm back from the Outer Darkness(tm).
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Posted on 02/24/2004 1:51:43 PM PST by Gamecock
Now for my repost of my #331.
Your #309: Ergo, Good Works are Old Covenant Works
Meaning things we should not do anymore?
The Savior used the phrase "the law and the prophets". You appear to be turning that into "Old Covenant". Your logic seems to be that wherever we see the phrase "the law and the prophets", it means only that which was fulfilled by the atonement of Christ.
"The law and the prophets" is the Scriptures as they had them at that time. More Scripture was written, by prophets, later (and in other parts of the world). The prophets spoke the Word of God both before and after the rites, observances, and ceremonies of the Law of Moses were given as a schoolmaster to a rebellious Israel to point them to the coming atonement. Now we have the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper in remembrance of Him and His atonement.
Returning to the Savior's teaching about the two great commandments:
Are we not to love God anymore, because that would be an "Old Covenant work"?
Are we not to love our neighbor as ourselves anymore, because that would be an "Old Covenant work"?
Quite the contrary. These are the things Jesus taught. See the parable of the Good Samaritan.
I'm back from the Outer Darkness(tm).
Looks like you lost some weight over there.
To White Mountain, my faithful brother in Christ, saved by grace through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in His atoning and saving power, greetings and best wishes to you and yours for health and prosperity ...
... and then politely present your views on the meaning of Scripture...
How delightsome.
A lesson from history.
Things were looking bleak for the Armerican Army on the morning of 23 December 1945. Elements of the U.S. 3rd Armored Division were retreating from the Germans in the Ardennes Forest near Fraiture, Belgium. A sergeant in a tank destroyer spotted an American digging a foxhole.The GI, a Private First Class of Co. F, 325th Glider Infantry Regiment, looked up and asked, "Are you looking for a safe place?
"Yeah," answered the tanker.
"Well buddy," he drawled, "just pull your tank in behind me... I'm the 82nd Airborne and this is as far as the b@$t@rds are going!"
(The young paratrooper must have been a Calvinist!)
My elect brother, have you ever heard thatelection cuts both ways?
No, and here’s why.
You’ve asked for me, a Christian, saved by the grace of the God of the Bible to call you this way:
To White Mountain, my faithful brother in Christ, saved by grace through faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in His atoning and saving power, greetings and best wishes to you and yours for health and prosperity ...
I cannot do that because you say you are saved by grace through faith in “our” Lord. I’m sorry but MY Lord is not the spiritual brother of Lucifer. MY Lord is a member of the triune Godhead, not merely one of a trinity(if that’s all there really are) of gods. I will never be a God like MY Lord is.
That oughta do.
I think most of us would like nothing better.
But as for me, I withhold that salutation for those who embrace, adore, and fall to their knees in praise and thanksgiving for the exquisite miracle that is the Trinity.
Tell me when you join us, and I'll be the first one to welcome you.
Rich nothing would give me greater joy than to be able to call you my brother in Christ.
On the day that we worship the same Christ , I will be the first to call you my brother..
in reference to whether he believes 'in the traditional Christ' Hinckley responds: "No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they [non-Mormons] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages" (LDS Church News Week 6/20/98, p.7).
The Christ I worship was not the brother of Satan . The atonement we are about to remember was not completed in the Garden
WHERE DID JESUS BEAR MAN'S SIN? - LDS APOSTLE BRUCE R. McCONKIE. "Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on condition of repentance." (The Promised Messiah, McConkie, p. 337 & 552).
On the day that we both fall in worship of the Same god..you will truly be my brother in Christ.
"Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent Look here is the rest of the paragraph my what do you know:) now how could that happen?:)
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The Promised Messiah, McConkie, p. 337
Forgiveness is available because of the atoning sacrifice of the Great Jehovah. Forgiveness is available because Christ the Lord sweat great drops of blood in Gethsemane as he bore the incalculable weight of the sins of all who ever had or ever would repent. Forgiveness is available because "God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance." ("Alma 7:13Alma 7:13.) Forgiveness comes because of the effectual and fervent pleadings of Him who is our Intercessor and Advocate. Forgiveness precedes salvation, and salvation comes after men are freed from their sins. Thus forgiveness is in Christ, even as salvation is in Christ. But he has done his work. The atonement is an accomplished fact. It is inscribed forever in the eternal records; it is written for all to read in the wracked body and the spilt blood of the one perfect man who bowed in agony, alone, in a garden outside Jerusalem's walls. The issue now is, What must each of us do to come within the pale of saving grace and thus gain forgiveness of our sins?
Page 552
In a garden called Gethsemane, outside Jerusalem's walls, in agony beyond compare, he took upon himself the sins of all men on conditions of repentance. Then he yielded himself into the hands of traitors and wicked men to have his flesh gashed and pierced and his body hung on a tree. He came into the world to die, and die he did, die as only a God could.
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