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To: trebb
Please explain how suffereing "pays" for anything, and why God is so eager to accept "pain" as a payment.

Hank

3 posted on 02/24/2004 1:03:00 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hi Hank,

Suffering does not pay for anything. a commentary from the east is here.

11 posted on 02/24/2004 1:42:11 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Hank Kerchief
Please explain how suffereing "pays" for anything, and why God is so eager to accept "pain" as a payment.

Simply, God has a sense of justice that must be satisfied one way or another. He hates our sin so much that only bloodshed can atone for it. But because He also loves us, He was willing to shed His own Son's blood instead of ours.

That's basic Christian theology -- if you don't understand it, then you have no grasp of Christianity.

20 posted on 02/24/2004 2:27:26 PM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
"Please explain how suffereing "pays" for anything, and why God is so eager to accept "pain" as a payment."

It would help your understanding of the matter by reading the Bible, start with Genesis Chapter 15. Where God enters into a blood covenant with Abraham and Abraham's offspring. A blood covenant requires blood be spilled if either party defaults. Upon reading the Chapter you will notice that God causes Abraham to fall asleep during the sealing of the contract, whereby God is the sole guarantor for each party entering into the covenant.

in other words, God covered Abraham's liability if he defaulted, which he did time and time again, and as Abraham's seed did and continues to do to this day. hence the requirement by default, of the terms of the covenant being fulfilled in the spotless sacrifice of Jesus, the Christ.

31 posted on 02/24/2004 4:21:17 PM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: Hank Kerchief
Please explain how suffereing "pays" for anything, and why God is so eager to accept "pain" as a payment.

If you receieve answer that you will accept what will it change for you?

Why do you care?

BigMack

54 posted on 02/24/2004 7:37:53 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Hank Kerchief
If there had been another way for mankind to redeem himself, surely it would have been preferred. But God, who is holy, perfect and immutable, cannot change the word that has gone out of his mouth. He alone is truth. He declared that the soul that sins shall die, therefore we all die. He also declared that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin. All of us live by his mercy, all of us should be killed right this moment. We are all so corrupt. He has declared, that because he changes not, therefore, we are not consumed. His mercy is keeping us all alive, but he offers eternal life to those who will believe.
92 posted on 02/26/2004 8:05:02 PM PST by man of Yosemite ("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
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