A Freeper Review of The Passion of Christ

Oh, I was afraid of that! Please accept my apologies. I can't help ya there. :/

141 posted on 02/21/2004 6:44:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)

"There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy"

At the time of Jesus life and death, there were not any BORN AGAIN people on the earth; not even his followers were born again until after His death. No one could be born again until after Jesus had paid the penalty for our sins = after Jesus' death. After Jesus' death, and his resurection, He visited with the disciples and He breathed on them (Acts), thus they were born again.

God said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy". However, that changes when a person receives Jesus as their Savior. Salvation means: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and provision. To me, salvation always represented God's extreme mercy which was available to me all the time. "His mercy is new every morning".

Thus, the "unrepentent thief" did not receive mercy .. because God is in the retribution business?? .. no! It's because people CHOOSE. The thief could have chosen repentence and received mercy .. but God is not to blame for people's choices. The scripture is clear, "It's God's desire that none should perish".

Yes, Jesus' sacrifice had a theme of forgiveness, but the forgiveness was given by God to all of humanity. There was just one requirement .. MAN HAD TO REACH OUT AND RECEIVE IT. A person does not get born again by God waving a magic wand. Man is required to do something. Man is required to activate his own faith by SAYING he believes Jesus sacrificed His life for their sins, and MAN has to receive in his heart that forgiveness from God.

The only retribution to come at Judgment will be for those who have rejected God's gift of salvation. Those who have already received salvation have been saved from judgment (the judgment and punishment Jesus received for us - in our place).

142 posted on 02/21/2004 6:46:32 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)

Pope John Paul II said the movie "is as it was."

I would think that if Christ could endure it, we should be able to witness a portrayal of it on a movie screen.

143 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:05 PM PST by jwalsh07

which are the prayers of the saints

But WE are the saints...the Believers in Christ. Our prayers are in the bowls. I think I know the Scripture you are referring to about intercessors, cannot find it right now.

You know, these were some of MY roots...Catholicism, just like Christianity's roots are in Judaism. ;) Even though there are differences...for Believers there is still the commonality of this Jesus, who is called Christ. If you wanna talk to Mary that's just fine with me.

144 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:14 PM PST by madison10

I wasn't giving you permission...I was giving understanding. Sometimes I am a word klutz.

145 posted on 02/21/2004 6:50:21 PM PST by madison10

To: savedbygrace

The saints are alive in Heaven with Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and one of those saints is His mother, Mary. She is not dead; anyone who is a Christian lives forever with Our Lord. Thanks for posting your message in public. :-)

146 posted on 02/21/2004 6:51:15 PM PST by padfoot_lover

To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks to all for the info. No, our cable doesn't carry PAX. Of course, in order to do so they would probably have to get rid of Bravo, all the MTVs, VH1s, or the many foreign channels that they carry, to make room for it. Oh well.

147 posted on 02/21/2004 6:52:54 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)

Hmmmm? I know Catholics who do consider her divine, or having special powers. If that were not the case, why would some Catholics pray to her ..?? That seems curious to me.

148 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:25 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)

To: Ohioan from Florida

Bishop Sheen was a wise man.

I'll borrow a Philly phrase: da best! :-) Perhaps too, someday soon, we'll be absolutely right in saying "he's a Saint". FReegards.

149 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:42 PM PST by GirlShortstop

I think one of the worst things that could happen to this film would be for Christians to unthinkingly flock to it simply to "show their support" and then wind up fleeing the theater and criticizing the film as being "too violent."

I think you make a good point, and I think it is one the author of this piece was trying to convey as well. At first, I wanted to take the whole family. I have begun to rethink that. Maybe after my husband and I view it.

150 posted on 02/21/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)

But WE are the saints...the Believers in Christ. Our prayers are in the bowls. I think I know the Scripture you are referring to about intercessors, cannot find it right now.

Well, I think we'd have to agree to disagree here. I just checked with my wife about me being a saint, she's still laughing. :-}

Here, I agree with you. We are Christians.

But now I have a question for you?

Why do you use intercessors who still possess their human body to intercess for you when you can go directly to Christ the Mediator?

151 posted on 02/21/2004 6:57:15 PM PST by jwalsh07

Hmmmm? I know Catholics who do consider her divine, or having special powers. If that were not the case, why would some Catholics pray to her ..?? That seems curious to me.

Read my posts and then get back to me. Mary is not considered divine in Catholicism. It is simply not true but it dies a hard death.

152 posted on 02/21/2004 6:59:09 PM PST by jwalsh07

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PAX = Satellite Direct TV

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153 posted on 02/21/2004 7:01:50 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)

To: padfoot_lover

And your scriptural source for praying to saints is . . . ?

154 posted on 02/21/2004 7:02:57 PM PST by savedbygrace

To: ALOHA RONNIE

(repost for publicity)

PAX's 'The Making of the PASSION'

9pm Sunday, February 22, 2004
9pm Tuesday, February 24, 2004
( See: http://www.PAX.tv )

(you beat me to it, AR!)

155 posted on 02/21/2004 7:04:34 PM PST by VOA

To: Clintons a commie

Where in scripture does Elizabeth do this? As for Gabriel, you're not seriously suggesting that what an angel does indicates a permission we have, are you? (Of course, you have no scriptural support for even Gabriel praying to saints, do you?)

156 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:17 PM PST by savedbygrace

To: secret garden; VOA; LisaMalia

You are welcome.

LisaMalia, I have Time Warner cable, my PAX comes on Channel 7. We also have DirectTV and PAX is on Channel 255. (Houston area)

I hope this helps.

157 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:46 PM PST by BlueAngel

You might be able to find something here at their website:

http://www.pax.tv/stations/list.cfm

158 posted on 02/21/2004 7:06:27 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)

Why do you use intercessors who still possess their human body to intercess for you when you can go directly to Christ the Mediator?

ummm...Just because? I'll be right back. ;)

159 posted on 02/21/2004 7:07:06 PM PST by madison10

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