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To: TopQuark
You say, "Jews were there too; they have memory. In fact, gospels are written BY the Jews and about a Jew. So only those who accept the divinity of Christ are allowed to have memory? Whose is arrogant now?"

Yes, Jews were there--and they're welcome to make their own movie. But this is Gibson's vision based on the Gospels. He's got the right to express it without others daring to question his political correctness or the historicity of texts sacred to all Christians.

It is true Jews have suffered persecution. But persecution is not unique to the Jews. In the French Revolution 300,000 Catholics were deliberately slaughtered for their faith in just one region of France. In the sixteenth century Lutheran princes slaughtered 130,000 Catholic peasants. Right now in Sudan Muslims are murdering and enslaving Christians by the hundreds of thousands. In Pakistan and India Muslims relentlessly persecute Christians. So too in Egypt and Indonesia and elsewhere. There is nothing new about any of this nor anything that is unique to the Jews.

Look at the history of Catholics in England whose priests were hunted down for the crime of saying Mass and Catholics were forced to convert. Trace the history of the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. This is the sad story of the human race and its intolerance, it is not the story of Jews alone nor of Christians alone. The Sunnis persecute the Shiites and vice versa. To suppose that such universal frictions--found in certain regions of Europe before WWII--were especially unique and unusual is to misinterpret history. These clashes have always existed, not only between Jews and Christians, but between Christians and Christians, between Christians and Muslims, etc.

55 posted on 02/21/2004 6:20:05 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Yes, Jews were there--and they're welcome to make their own movie.

There is such as thing as a dialoge. You do not have to shut up jsut because I speak.

In this country we often say that response to speech is more speech. You do not appear to have accepted that.

But this is Gibson's vision based on the Gospels. He's got the right to express it without others daring to question YOu may have been born here but your views are grossly unAmerican. You can speak but it is everyone's right to question. You must've worked for the Inquisition for too long.

his political correctness No one asks him to be politically correct.

or the historicity of texts sacred to all Christians. Once again, he is not creating texts, and RETELLING may be done differently.

As for the texts, when taught literally, has enticed great the mobs for centuries to kill Jews. Apparently, you condone that.

It is true Jews have suffered persecution. But persecution is not unique to the Jews. No one said it was.

In the French Revolution 300,000 Catholics were deliberately slaughtered for their faith in just one region of France. Yes. But you will not find a single group of people now living that has suffered 90% loss in just five years --- as Jews in Poland, for instance.

Nor will you find the duration of persecution and georgraphic scope remotely similar to any other group. There is one group that is comparable on the second dimension -- Roma (Gypsies).

All other peoples who suffered as much as Jews have been wiped out (Indians of Argentina, for instance). You are an apologist and do not even attempt to adhere to principles when you address this issue. And, you cannor evne see how plain you are: why, for instance did you bring up the issue of persecution? I did not. It has nothing to do with the topic. You brought it up because YOU are tired of hearing about Jewish suffering, which must of course be exaggerated because your Church would never permit or participate in it. Well, that's the bias you choose to have. Look at the history of Catholics in England whose priests were hunted down for the crime of saying Mass and Catholics were forced to convert. Yeh, compare that to expelling from England not just the rabbis but the entire Jewish population in 1190 --- and not a Jew has been seen their until mid-1500s!

This is the sad story of the human race and its intolerance, Yeh, right. Tell us also that putting people in the oven is suffering as much as not having enough to eat. What a nice sensitive soul you are.

Yeh, and Holocaust was a little misunderstanding, I know. Who among us doesn't suffer, after all. I myself, hurt my pinky the other day.... That is what you essentially say. And all the while call yourself a Christian.

59 posted on 02/22/2004 10:43:48 PM PST by TopQuark
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