[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the ping to your reply! You said:

I would have to disagree. [with betty boop's remark: "For us to really know anything about the nature of God, He would have had to tell us that Himself."] In fact, we know the nature of God, what is more important is that God reveals to us who we are. True knowledge of God is knowing ourselves, firstly.

I agree with betty boop and therefore disagree with you on that point, lockeliberty. In fact, I see the very purpose of "all that there is" as God revealing Himself. In that regard, the most important thing we can learn of ourselves is this meaning of our existence.

But no matter how one perceives the purpose of "all that there is", it is nevertheless not possible for any being other than the Father to know Him fully. Christ would certainly be the closest, but even He does not know everything known to the Father (such as "the day and the hour").

[lockeliberty]

Yea, my clumsy post was not clear.

God does tell us about Himself through creation.

The question is how, since we cannot have a true and right knowledge of God based upon creation itself, that a man can come to a true knowledge of God?

As a corollary, what is the beginning of that true knowledge that begins with ourselves?