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What Happened When The Worlds Most Famous Atheist Had A Near Death Experience.
National Post | March 3 2001 | William Cash

Posted on 02/04/2004 5:20:15 PM PST by catonsville

Did atheist philosopher see God when he 'died'? William Cash National Post March 3, 2001

"I haven't told this to anybody before," said Dr. Jeremy George, senior consultant in the Department of Thoracic Medicine at London University's Middlesex Hospital. On the table in front of him were the official hospital notes of "Sir Alfred Ayer, date of birth 29/10/10, of 51 York Street, London, W1." We were discussing the incident of June, 1988, when the eminent 77-year-old British philosopher, arguably the most influential 20th century rationalist after Bertrand Russell, famously "died" in London University Hospital. His heart stopped for four minutes when he apparently choked on a slice of smoked salmon smuggled in by a former mistress. Three months later, while recuperating at his house in the south of France, the atheist author of Language, Truth and Logic, whose more than 50-year career was devoted to ridiculing all metaphysical statements, especially all Christian doctrine, as nonsense, wrote a lengthy article for Britain's The Sunday Telegraph, titled What I Saw When I Was Dead, about his bizarre visit to the other side and how, as a humanist philosopher, it had affected his view of death.

Ayer's article, with his vivid memory of being pulled toward a red light, "exceedingly bright, and also very painful," his encounters with the "ministers" of the universe, and his frustration as he tried to "cross the river" -- which he presumed was the Styx -- bears a very curious resemblance to similar reports of near-death experiences recalled by 63 survivors of cardiac arrest at Southampton General Hospital, and published last week in the science journal Resuscitation.

Dr. Peter Fenwick. of the Institute of Psychiatry in London, a leading consultant who was involved in the findings, said the collected data is the first medical evidence that proves the mind can continue to exist after the body is clinically dead, and that a form of afterlife is now scientifically explainable. "Those who return all report that they have been changed," he said. "Those who were religious found their faith renewed. Those who had no faith often acquired at least a belief in some form of afterlife".

However, in his article Ayer concluded his experience had done nothing to weaken his belief that there is no God. In a second article, titled Postscript to a Postmortem, Ayer added a further denial that the experience had led him to alter his secularist view that "there is no life after death". Ayer, after all, had good reason to rebut any suggestion he had changed his atheist convictions. From the late 1940s, he had been employed by the BBC to take on such opponents as Hugh Montefiore, Bishop of Birmingham, and Jesuit priest Martin D'Arcy, a friend of Evelyn Waugh, and to broadcast his vigorously humanist views. But did intellectual pride induce Freddie -- as he was known to many -- to compromise his version of the truth of what really happened during the four minutes of his clinical death?

Last year, after I wrote a play for the Edinburgh Festival about Ayer's near death experience, I received a letter from Dr. Jeremy George, who had been senior registrar in charge of Ayer while he was in hospital. He told me he had some new information he thought I might find "very interesting."

Dr. George was the duty doctor when Ayer was first admitted on May 31, 1988, after falling seriously ill with pneumonia after a lunch at the Savoy. By a strange coincidence, Dr. George had been a student at New College, Oxford in the 1970s when Ayer was at the college as Wykeham Professor of Logic. Although he was not taught by Ayer, Dr. George had met him. When the young doctor saw this "crumpled heap in a corner of the private wing," he immediately recognized him as Britain's most celebrated living philosopher. "He was very pleased that somebody knew who he was" said Dr. George, "He looked very blue. His oxygen level was virtually incompatible with life." Dr. George gave Ayer emergency oxygen and put him immediately in the intensive care unit, where his condition improved. "He would not have survived the day. I was amazed how lucid he became. I think he made a joke in Latin."

During Ayer's week in intensive care, the nurses turned a blind eye to his private supply of smoked salmon in the unit fridge provided by an old lover who left him for Graham Greene in the early 1950s but remained a close friend. Indeed, the hospital staff had to put a ban on the number of his female visitors, among them his latest girlfriend, a married Canadian woman with whom he was planning an adulterous weekend in Paris the moment he was discharged.

In the early evening of June 6, Ayer later wrote, he "carelessly tossed" a slice of salmon down this throat. Choking as it went the wrong way down, he was clinically dead for four minutes. The hospital notes state: "cardiac arrest with bradycardia, and asystole, but was resuscitated". Having been alerted by the nurse, who administered emergency procedures, Dr. George looked down Freddie's throat. "I found a lot of secretions and sputum but the smoked salmon was a red herring. There wasn't any that I could see. But I suppose it made a better story". In order to ascertain whether Ayer had suffered any brain damage, Professor Spiro, the senior consultant, and Dr. George then had to subject Ayer to a general knowledge quiz to test his brain.

"I think we asked him who the prime minister was, and what day was it," said Dr. George. "The answers quickly shut us up. They were all correct. He blew us out of the water. There was absolutely no brain damage. He was very lucid. I think he wanted to be asked more questions, such as the name the players of the winning football team of the First Division. We had no idea if he was making them up or not, we just assumed he got them right."

That same day, having finished his rounds, Dr. George returned to Ayer's bedside. "I came back to talk to him. Very discreetly, I asked him, as a philosopher, what was it like to have had a near-death experience? He suddenly looked rather sheepish. Then he said, 'I saw a Divine Being. I'm afraid I'm going to have to revise all my various books and opinions.' "He clearly said 'Divine Being,'" said Dr. George. "He was confiding in me, and I think he was slightly embarrassed because it was unsettling for him as an atheist. He spoke in a very confidential manner. I think he felt he had come face to face with God, or his maker, or what one might say was God.

"Later, when I read his article, I was surprised to see he had left out all mention of it. I was simply amused. I wasn't very familiar with his philosophy at the time of the incident, so the significance wasn't immediately obvious. I didn't realize he was a logical positivist." "I am amazed," said his widow Dee Wells, after I related the extraordinary confession Dr. George had passed on to me.

Their son, Nick Ayer, who had been with his father in hospital throughout his illness, and had slept in Ayer's private room, was also silent for a second when I told him the story, and then added: "It doesn't sound like a joke. It sounds extraordinary. He certainly never mentioned anything like that to me. I don't know what to make of it. When he first came round after he was 'dead' he said nothing of any of this. Nothing at all."

Nick said that he had long felt there was something possibly suspect about his father's version of his near death experience. "All this stuff about crossing the River Styx -- it just sounds too good to be true. There was three months between his time in hospital and when he decided to write the article in France. He never mentioned any of that business once. And I was with him all the time. I always thought it sounded more like a dream." According to Freddie's article, his first recorded words after he came round in hospital were to exclaim to the audience gathered around his bed:

"You are all mad." But again, Nick Ayer has no recollection of ever hearing any mention of this until the piece appeared three months later. So can Ayer's memory or his own words really be trusted? Freddie always claimed he devoted his life to the pursuit of Truth. But as Dee Wells was quick to point out when I visited her at York Street, where she has continued to live since Freddie's death, the truth could rapidly become meaningless for Freddie when it happened to suit him -- with women, for example.

Certainly it does seem very odd that Ayer, in either of his two detailed articles, did not so much as mention his conversation with Dr. George about having to rewrite all his books and works; if only -- in his usual fashion -- to dispose of it with his usual logical clarity. According to Freddie, and his newspaper piece, the first conversation he remembered having was with his ex-lover Beatrice Tourot, who was sitting on his bed. They spoke in French, with Ayer saying: "Did you know that I was dead ? It was most extraordinary, my thoughts became persons."

Freddie was discharged from hospital on July 3, 1988. He died a year later, having remarried Dee Wells (who had been his second wife and then became his fourth). Despite declaring himself a "born-again atheist," his friends and family noticed that Freddie -- like the 63 patients interviewed for last week's report -- certainly seemed to change.

"Freddie became so much nicer after he died," said Dee. "He was not nearly so boastful. He took an interest in other people." Ayer also told the writer Edward St. Aubyn in France that he had had "a kind of resurrection" and for the first time in his life, he had begun to notice scenery. In France, on a mountain near his villa, he said, "I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is ... for 26 years I had never really looked at it before."

What is also undeniably true -- and has never been reported on -- is that at the end of his life, Freddie spent more and more time with his former BBC debating opponent, the Jesuit priest and philosopher Frederick Copleston, who was at Freddie's funeral at Golders Green crematorium.

"They got closer and closer and, in the end, he was Freddie's closest friend," said Dee. "It was quite extraordinary. As he got older, Freddie realized more and more that philosophy was just chasing its own tail."


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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator

To: GladesGuru
GladesGuru wrote:
"There may be no need to google search, let alone go to the stacks of the med school library. Merely read the article in Readers Digest about NDE's. The article describes how a reduction of blood flow to the left parietal area of the brain induces "the religious experience".

A more recent Readers Digest article had the NDE of a woman who met God during the happening. She was clinically dead WITH NO BRAINWAVES. In other words nothing was going on in her mind. No brain activity. Yet later she was able to describe exactly what was happening around her.

One hypothesis for her experience is that consciousness is everywhere in the self, not just a function of the brain.
Or did she really have a NDE away from her body?
62 posted on 02/05/2004 6:44:06 AM PST by catonsville
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To: JackRyanCIA
I've never hesitated to talk about my experience. It was very intense -- nothing at all like being drunk -- and very memorable. I still remember it after fourty years. But it was a drug experience, under ether, during surgery. I see nothing mystical about it.
63 posted on 02/05/2004 7:01:09 AM PST by js1138
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To: Aeronaut
No doubt!

FR is a great place for intellectual dog piles!

Sigh.

Thanks for your great attitude.
64 posted on 02/05/2004 7:03:27 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: texgal
"Nobody has returned from the dead since the resurrection of Christ."

Umm... Eutychus

and, yes he did die again unlike our Savior
65 posted on 02/05/2004 7:07:44 AM PST by TNMountainMan (Errabundi Saepe, Semper Certi.)
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To: GladesGuru
Thank you.

left parietal area brain "religious experience"

zeroes in on about 300 relevant googled articles

67 posted on 02/05/2004 7:18:15 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: JackRyanCIA
I see no difference between what I experienced and what is being described by others in this thread.
68 posted on 02/05/2004 7:24:13 AM PST by js1138
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To: catonsville
Sorry that this might be slightly off-topic, but if anyone can help me here, it's FReepers!

Who knows anything about Evelyn Waugh? I have read his book entitled "When The Going Was Good" which is a collection of writings from a few of his books at the time, mostly about travel in Africa and South America. I found him to be a fantastic author and every so often, in circumstances such as this, I find weird references to him. What did he do besides write books and work as a newspaper correspondant?

Anyone who has any info on the man please let me know. I'm hitting Google right now...
69 posted on 02/05/2004 7:26:14 AM PST by bc2 (http://thinkforyourself.us)
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To: Grut
Remember all those 'recovered memory' cases of a few years ago that turned out not to be so? Like that.

I'm not sure it's like that.

The difference is, recovered memories are implanted years after the fact. You're suggesting here that the memories are implanted almost immediately.

If memories can be either implanted or genuine, what makes one a simpler explanation than the other?

I do owe people an explanation, though; I meant that no present-day NDEs can be easily believed because of all the publicity NDEs have received in the last thirty years, but I do find older reports to be strikingly consistent.

Then applying simpler explanation theory, why is it simpler to believe that early, "strikingly consistent "NDE accounts have one explanation, and subsequent NDE accounts that are consistent with the earlier ones, have a different explanation?

On the surface, isn't it simpler, since early and subsequent NDE accounts have consistency with each other, to believe that their explanations, whatever they are, are also consistent?


70 posted on 02/05/2004 8:07:14 AM PST by Sabertooth (The Republicans have a coalition, if they can keep it.)
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To: 3catsanadog
Your story reminded me of something. My mothers uncle passed away a couple of years ago. I don't remember what was wrong with him, maybe a stroke, because he was pretty non-responsive and hardly spoke. His wife and kids were in his bedroom, because they knew it was just a matter of time before he passed on. Out of the blue he sits bolt upright, smiles, and puts his arms out towards the ceiling like you would if you were going to hug someone. Then he stops smiling and lays back down. His daughter ran over to him and asked if he was okay. He looked at her and clear as day and- very annoyed- said, "No I'm not okay! Ernie was here and he said I couldn't go because it's not time yet!" Ernie was his brother who had died several years before. He died the next day.
72 posted on 02/05/2004 9:48:28 AM PST by retrokitten (She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine! Canyonero!)
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To: catonsville
"Ayer's article, with his vivid memory of being pulled toward a red light, 'exceedingly bright, and also very painful,'"

Hmmmmm.... doesn't sound like Heaven.

;)

73 posted on 02/05/2004 9:56:13 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: RightOnline
No, never heard of missionary in mountains of Mexico named David Hogan. And no, I don't believe he returned from the dead. Dead is dead; not a "near-death" experience. Show me someone who had been stone cold dead, rigor mortis and all, return fom the dead and I'll be convinced.
74 posted on 02/05/2004 10:21:10 AM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: Clausewitz
Accounts of ressurection from the dead are not proof. Also, I don't include premature burials, often cited as "ressurections." Not familiar with the work you cited: Father Albert J. Hebert, S.M., "Raised From the Dead, True Stories of 400 Resurrection Miracles" (335pp.; TAN Books & Pub., 1986; Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur).I'll try to find it.

Sign me skeptical.

75 posted on 02/05/2004 10:25:46 AM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: pax_et_bonum
pax_et_bonum wrote:

"Ayer's article, with his vivid memory of being pulled toward a red light, 'exceedingly bright, and also very painful,'"

Hmmmmm.... doesn't sound like Heaven


I remember when The National Review printed the original article by Ayers in 1988. Ayer had enough intellectual honesty that he wrote he was perplexed and could not fully understand what happened to him. Only later when the pressure began to build did he refute his doubt, claiming his NDE was some sort of psychological illusion.

Ayer wrote that during his NDE his fate was discussed by three male spirits against a flickering red background and wondered what it all meant. A letter in the next issue of the magazine gave what may have been an answer to Ayer's dilemma.
Those flickering red lights-why the fires of Hell,of course.
76 posted on 02/05/2004 11:20:20 AM PST by catonsville
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To: 3catsanadog
When my aunt was dying she spoke of seeing angels, and she wasn't on narcotics at the time.
77 posted on 02/05/2004 11:30:04 AM PST by oyez
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To: luvbach1
Fair enough.........but at least acknowledge that you are not so small-minded as to think "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist". That would be more than a bit too 12th century, don't you think?
78 posted on 02/05/2004 3:06:52 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Aeronaut
Actually my intent was not "correction" of any error by you, but an attempt at supplementation of your intent with regards to that particular posters assertion about there being "no resurrections since Christ".

So, I tried to provide your statement with some extra back up via two other "New Testament" resurrections, post ascension.

Dorcas and the third story guy.
Consider yourself NOT corrected, but reinforced in your intention.
79 posted on 02/05/2004 5:38:08 PM PST by eccl1212 ( "anybody else wanna negotiate?")
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To: RightOnline
...at least acknowledge that you are not so small-minded as to think "if I can't see it, it doesn't [may not]exist.

I acknowledge the foregoing as amended.

80 posted on 02/05/2004 6:55:26 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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