[Land of the Irish]

This article speaks for itself about the rotten fruits of false ecumenism: compromising the Catholic Church's position on the Blessed Mother.

[Land of the Irish]

Ping

[franky]

Can someone tell me what I just read?

[sinkspur]

This article speaks for itself about the rotten fruits of false ecumenism: compromising the Catholic Church's position on the Blessed Mother.

Where was this done?

[AAABEST]

My how things have changed for the worst.

Let the storm rage and the sky darken - not for that shall we be dismayed. If we trust as we should in Mary, we shall recognize in her, the Virgin Most Powerful "who with virginal foot did crush the head of the serpent."

God could have given us the Redeemer of the human race, and the Founder of the Faiths in another way than through the Virgin, but since Divine Providence has been pleased that we should have the Man-God through Mary, who conceived Him by the Holy Spirit and bore Him in her womb, it only remains for us to receive Christ from the hands of Mary- Pope Saint Pius X

[Fifthmark]

The Church's understanding of Mary has been a subject of deep controversy between Anglicans and Roman Catholics. Discussion at Seattle has placed the Roman Catholic dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary, and how they may relate to any future restoration of Communion, within the broader context of Scriptural and theological reflection on Mary. Following its established methodology, the Commission has sought to go behind entrenched positions, and to articulate a common approach to the subject under discussion.

I think I speak for most discerning people when I say, "Huh?"

[TheRevEN]

Hold it. Hold it. Hold it.

You have NOT read the ARCIC report -- so how can you react to it this way??

Anglicans love and revere Our Lady very much. You will find more rosaries in most Anglican trouser and skirt pockets than you will among RCs.

The ARCIC report does NOT sell out Our Lady but rather tries to find language to talk about her that will bring people together rather than separating them.

I do not believe that she is an obstacle to ecumnenism but rather the key to it.

Let's hang in there. How about everybody says a rosary for the intention of Christian unity -- which Our Lord prayed for -- instead of taking pot shots?

Blessings always.

[NYer]

This article speaks for itself about the rotten fruits of false ecumenism: compromising the Catholic Church's position on the Blessed Mother.

What exactly has been compromised?

What do you mean by 'false ecumenism'?

Our Lady of the Atonement Catholic Church

In 1980, His Holiness Pope John Paul II granted a Pastoral Provision for the establishment of parishes composed of former Episcopalians which could use a modified liturgy from _The Book of Common Prayer_. There are, at present, six parishes in the USA now using the Anglican Use liturgy. (There are other groups now forming. Canonically, any groups seeking permission to use the Anglican Use liturgy must be composed of former Episcopalians. But once permission is given any Catholic may participate.) These parishes are in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church, but permitted to have their own distinctive liturgy and also permitted to follow their own customs at Mass.

[ahadams2]

TheRevEN provided an excellent explanation of the background for the release of this paper.

I would state categorically however that we Anglicans are not repeat NOT seeking to harm or destroy Roman Catholicism. Despite our theological differences (and they certainly do exist) both you and we are facing a common Enemy who seeks to degrade our witness before the world by any means possible. It was just such a satanic attack, embodied in the actions of the last ecusa general convention with its approval of same sex blessings and the appointment of a practicing homosexual as a bishop which led to the (temporary) failure of ARCIC. Of course I don't have to tell you folks about sexual perverts in high places, since you're dealing with other related issues that I think sometimes make our problems pale by comparison.

In any case, at least from an Anglican perspective, the reason for the existance of groups such as ARCIC is *not* to trash either side's theology, but rather to find those points at which we can work together in agreement. The former, as was stated elsewhere in this thread would be false ecumenism at it's worst; but the latter is and can be a means for the fragmented portions of the Body of Christ on Earth to provide at least some mutual support. That, I would submit, is indeed a worthy goal.

[bobjam]

It seems to me that few on this thread have an understanding of the theological implications of the dogma that God somehow cleansed Mary of all of her sins and made her immaculate from the moment of her birth. If God could do that with her, then He could do that with someone else. If He could do that with someone else, then He could do that with everyone else. What purpose then does the Cross serve? Before He was arrested, Christ begged that there could be a way other than the Cross by which God and men could be reconciled. Because there wasn't, Christ went to the Cross. Roman Catholic Mariology, as it is understood by Protestants and as it is commonly presented (which could be different that what the Magisterium actually teaches), presents some very serious theological problems for Protestants. ARCIC is an attempt to understand those problems and lay the foundation for solving them.

[Unam Sanctam]

Please quote where there has been any compromise whatsoever on Marian dogmas. I don't see any incriminating quotation here.