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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
When we read about former sex abusers being involved with these national liturgy committees involved in further experiments with social engineering the Mass according to some sort of weird psycho-social theories, think we should ask questions about this. And the bishops really need to be responsive to the Catholic laity on this. If sex abusers have been involved with tinkering with the Mass, we should ask WHY?

Exactly. But my point is that the people pushing this stuff portray themselves as warm and loving and those of us who disagree with them as unloving, rigid, not caring, etc. THAT's the image that needs to change. The touchy feely stuff doesn't teach anything and that is what the message should be.

You are correct that the designer institutions push for change far more than anyone else and due to the celebrity status, it usually makes headlines. This is where the Jesuits managed to push all the junk they teach - they had impeccable credibility and trying to make regular, trusting Catholics realize that they are wolves in sheeps' clothing is just dizzying. Unless these people are betrayed themselves, they just won't believe it. I've run into this in my own house.

I think the best thing at this point that could happen is adult catechesis classes taught using the Catechism, the Bible and one or two texts from Tan or Ignatius, or something. Convincing young adults that we need it is going to be another battle, but I think in this learning is where we are going to teach the inadequacies of the NO as it is in so many places.
27 posted on 02/03/2004 8:54:23 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Desdemona
The fascistic, totalitarian, and authoritarian mentality of clericalism that comes along with all this fuzzywuzzy nonsense has a little to do with psychobabble in general. But it also has to do with this pseudo-elite condescension and arrogance of liberal clergy who are generally New Class/New Left types who think they are better and smarter than everyone else. "Don't ask questions, you are just a lay person." Sadly, this arrogance is also common among the more militant homosexual types found among the aggressive, ideologically liberal clergy. There is an "in-your-face" attitude.

Bishops have allowed these people to trample all over very well-meaning, faithful lay Catholics. And THAT has to end. It has to be exposed. This dreadful elite mentality of liberals, which you find among liberal Democrats in secular politics (Hillary Clinton is a prime example) has invaded the Church. They think they can stiff-arm everyone into submitting to their dictatorial control. When the liberal Catholic liturgy mafia roll into a parish it is like the Borgia brothers taking over a town in northern Italy. The same thing happens in the colleges, universities, and high schools. And is happening in a lot of places now as we speak.

At least Adoremus is exposing some of this junk thought for what it is.

29 posted on 02/03/2004 10:13:01 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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