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To: HarleyD
Not quite HD, maligning Luther, while not particularly useful is not the same as failing to understand or misrepresenting Protestantism.
20 posted on 01/30/2004 12:39:06 PM PST by conservonator (To be Catholic is to enjoy the fullness of Christian faith.)
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To: conservonator
Well I don't see how you can malign Luther and be objective. It would be like me saying the Pope is the Anti-Christ but all Catholics are OK. :O)

(And, no, I don't believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ and I'm not calling the Pope a name.)

As for humanism I did some research:

Some excerpts from Pico della Mirandola: Oration of the Dignity of Man

1)I once read that Abdala the Muslim, when asked what was most worthy of awe and wonder in this theater of the world, answered, "There is nothing to see more wonderful than man!"

2)Finally, the Great Artisan mandated that this creature who would receive nothing proper to himself shall have joint possession of whatever nature had been given to any other creature. He made man a creature of indeterminate and indifferent nature, and, placing him in the middle of the world, said to him "Adam, we give you no fixed place to live, no form that is peculiar to you, nor any function that is yours alone. According to your desires and judgement, you will have and possess whatever place to live, whatever form, and whatever functions you yourself choose.

Reference 1: http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/REN/ORATION.HTM

I’m not an expert in Pico della Mirandola’s writings but just some of his brief excerpts shows that he was influenced by the humanism philosophy. While this may be wonderful philosophy for the day he should have spent more time in his Bible.

Humanistic philosophy is described as:

Humanism, in philosophy, attitude that emphasizes the dignity and worth of the individual. A basic premise of humanism is that people are rational beings who possess within themselves the capacity for truth and goodness. The term humanism is most often used to describe a literary and cultural movement that spread through western Europe in the 14th and 15th centuries. This Renaissance revival of Greek and Roman studies emphasized the value of the classics for their own sake, rather than for their relevance to Christianity.

Reference 2: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564121/Humanism.html

For more information on Pico writing you may wish to read the Reference 1 website but it’s only the first seven paragraph-not much to go by.

Why I'm so heap up on this is that this secular shift which created the Renaissance (not a bad thing) also changed the focus of the church from the Glory of God to the Glory of Man (not a good thing) which is prevalent in our society and many of our churches today. I must say I just read Augustine’s De Civitate Dei, xviii and it is totally at odd with Pico's philosophy which Thomas More obviously abscribed to.

Just because the bibliography I posted does square with your’s does not mean that it is name calling. If you disagree with it the truth probably lies in the middle.

I'm not trying to flame-only to analyze.

23 posted on 01/30/2004 12:59:11 PM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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