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To: Junior
If the story of Noah were literal, there would be less genetic variation in every other critter on the planet (except for the clean critters) than is found in humanity.

That is a good point. There are some reasons to argue otherwise (such as the shorter lifespan of animals, non monogamous behavior in the animal kingdom, etc.), but such reasons could not easily account for the obvious genetic diversity that we actually see. More likely, the origin of the Flood myth was regional, and the animals saved were merely domesticated animals.

Geneticists point to a genetic bottleneck in the human species about 70,000 years ago

For the mitochondrial eve, the numbers are much earlier than that (170,000 years), but that genetic bottleneck wouldn't seem relevant to the flood myth.

which reduced the population to less than 2,000 breeding individuals. Biblical literalists would have you believe the human race was reduced to eight individuals less than 6,000 years ago. The genes don't bear that out.

Those two points really shouldn't be mixed. The "6,000 years ago" folly is reliably discounted. But the "reduced to eight individuals" cannot be discounted quite so easily. The scenarios usually presented account for the single ancestor by means of conjecture rather than by any deterministic resolution.

In addition, every species but the "clean" species were supposedly reduced to two breeding individuals less than 6,000 years ago (the clean animals got lucky with 14 breeding individuals each). If this were the case just about every other animal on Earth would evince less genetic diversity than humanity. The evidence does not bear this out. Indeed, I can think of only two animals in worse shape genetically than humanity -- dingos and cheatahs

This is probably the second best evidence against the traditional belief of a universal flood (the best being, "where did all that water go that was covering the whole earth?").

16 posted on 01/23/2004 2:41:52 PM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb
This is probably the second best evidence against the traditional belief of a universal flood (the best being, "where did all that water go that was covering the whole earth?").

There is no version of the universal flood that can be squared with scientific biology and geology. If folks want to believe in a miracle they should not be attempting to rationalize it.

17 posted on 01/23/2004 2:56:44 PM PST by js1138
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To: Technogeeb
The existence of a Mitochondrial Eve isn't evidence of a bottleneck though. It's an artifact (or theorem) of statistics. If you have interbreeding lines, some lines die out, others continue. The species may continue even though the probability of any line dying out is one. At some point, all but one line must die out.

This doesn't mean that other women were not around at the same time as the "Eve" person. It only means that their mitochondria isn't still in the gene pool. Were we able to look at other gene, each one (or at least the ancient ones) would show ancestry to a single individual.

A similar artifact happens with family names.
32 posted on 01/23/2004 9:37:19 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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