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I challenge you to do as I suggested to polikemos, and study a little deeper on the subject. Read the writings of Pope Gregory the Great, study the history of the Church, and try to do it from neutral sources. You will find that Papal Supremecy became an issue after 800 A.D. Before that time, the Popes themselves preached against such arrogance.

I am posting this comment to everyone who has posted to this thread to inform you all that the thread will be locked about 12:30 EST, roughly three hours from now. The thread will not be taken down, but after it's locked no more posts will be possible.

Again, I invite anyone who would like to have any of their posts to this thread deleted, simply send a "signed" abuse report to that effect. Abuse reports which are "unsigned" will not be removed.

A couple of added comments, if you will, one a reiteration, and the other a disappointment.

First, I still do not detect a sweeping spirit of forgiveness flowing through the Religion Forum, and I have to wonder what the future will hold without that happening. I won't repeat any of my words here, but any of you who have not read Post #881 should avail yourselves of the opportunity to do so.

Obviously for some of you, subtle suggestions from me have no effect. So - I will drop the subtlety.

In my future efforts at moderation when I find off-topic posts to any thread they will be removed. I haven't counted but my best guess is that roughly 200 posts could be removed from this thread as having nothing to do with the rules of the forum. Second subtle suggestion that didn't work: arguments - debates - differences - fights dragged from one thread to another will be deleted as found. And third, the on-going Mormon vs. non-Mormon war (and that's what it appears to be) has to stop. There is no way I can go back to the beginning and determine "who started it", even though I've received FReepmails from posters on both sides pointing fingers the other way. Not that "who started it" makes any difference, since the antagonists just keep it going. From my perspective the guilt is equally shared, and it's time to agree to a truce or accept an imposed armistice. This war is childish, folks, and it's a blight on the Religion Forum. It must stop. If you can't forgive and forget past transgressions, at least have the maturity to drop it and go on. In future, when I see hostilities breaking out anew I will ask once for it to stop. If it doesn't, then I'll have to stop it.

I'll "see" you all around the forum.

P.S. For whatever reason the 'ping' system did not pick up the following posters: 'cprfld'; 'eastrider'; 'Jmouse'; 'MarMena'; 'Unam Sanctum'.

Before that time, the Popes themselves preached against such arrogance.

Perhaps I will study further on that subject, it's one of about 10,000 subjects that interest me.

In the mean time, I suggest that "arrogance" is no more appropriate of a word to describe the pope, especially JPII, than it is to describe the president of the United States.