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To: A.J.Armitage
It seems here you've gotten off the topic of whether the Bible plus the Pope and the Magisterium meets the test by which you say the Bible by itself fails, and replaced it with the standard anti-Protestant polemic of insulting Luther.

LOL. Nice try. You raised the tangent, not me. I try to answer your query, and now it's my fault we are on your tangent? Give me a break.

And quoting Luther on a doctrinal issue is "the standard anti-Protestant polemic of insulting Luther"? I had no idea that was verbotten. Is quoting Luther on his doctrinal statements always considered an insult by Lutherans and/or other Protestants? Or just his statements that repudiate Lutheran/Protestant doctrines? What about Luther's statements that contain logical fallacies? Is there some cheatsheet somewhere that lists what I am allowed to quote and what I shouldn't quote? A little help here would be appreciated.

Let's posit he did misunderstand pretty fundamental things.

There's no need to posit. Luther admitted it.

The Bible plus the Pope and the Magisterium and Tradition didn't prevent it.

Didn't prevent Luther from making an error? Never claimed it did. Never claimed it should. Never claimed it would. That nasty ol' free will business is always letting individuals go astray.
946 posted on 01/26/2004 12:25:22 AM PST by polemikos ("To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant" - John Henry Newman)
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To: polemikos
LOL. Nice try. You raised the tangent, not me. I try to answer your query, and now it's my fault we are on your tangent? Give me a break.

I have a difficult time imagining what it is you think you're saying here. Maybe you mean that I, somehow, started diverting discussion from how Scripture plus other stuff stacks up by your own standards by which you criticize Scripture alone. But that would be silly. Or perhaps you mean that anything other than a panygeric to the rightness of all things Catholic is a "tangent".

But clearly, regardless of what you were trying to say, you were substituting a diversion (not merely a tangent) for an answer to my argument.

And quoting Luther on a doctrinal issue is "the standard anti-Protestant polemic of insulting Luther"? I had no idea that was verbotten.

Now, where did I say you couldn't attack historical Protestant figures? I'm not a Mormon, you know.

All I did was point out you reverted to one of the standard polemics instead of answering my argument.

There's no need to posit. Luther admitted it.

Drstevej has questioned this. We all await documentation.

Didn't prevent Luther from making an error? Never claimed it did. Never claimed it should. Never claimed it would. That nasty ol' free will business is always letting individuals go astray.

You don't think the leadership of the Catholic Church should prevent its priests and theology professors (and Luther was both) from falling into error? Yow!

Anyway, it doesn't matter if you said it or not; you need it to be true for your argument to hold up. It's not, so your argument doesn't. Remember, again, if the Bible plus other stuff can't keep people from falling into error and/or leaving, then you can't criticize the Bible by itself for failing to prevent people from falling into error and/or leaving. Well, you can, it just wouldn't do Catholicism any favors.

950 posted on 01/26/2004 1:23:08 AM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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