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To: Alex Murphy
Your #924: Now, your prior calls for "repentance" have always been made in the context of being pro-Mormon, praying about the Book of Mormon to receive a testimony of it's truthfulness, and becoming an obedient Mormon.

This is a misunderstanding I am glad to know about.

I have talked about repentance, praying about things, and obedience to the laws and ordinances of Christ's Gospel, but not tying them together, as you have, to mean that repentance would only be possible if you became a faithful Latter-Day Saint.

Repentance, to many Protestants, seems to be dropping "incorrect" doctrines and adopting "correct" ones. For example, I have often been told here to repent of my "Mormonism".

But repentance is forsaking unChristlike behavior, turning to Christ, and learning Christlike behavior from Him, studying the Scriptures and living accordingly, doing what He says.

So when a poster has not been practicing Sidebar Moderator's New Testament rules (which are the Lord's rules), but then puts them into practice and posts accordingly, with mutual respect and treating others as he would be treated, that is repentance.

When endeavoring to improve our daily walk, we often work on our faults one at a time. We improve in one area, then work on another. That is repentance, getting better and better at doing what Jesus would have us do, one day at a time.

The Holy Spirit helps us do this, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, giving us more light as we live the light we have, growing brighter until the perfect day.

If that is now cleared up, where does that leave us?

933 posted on 01/25/2004 11:27:19 PM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: White Mountain
Repentance, to many Protestants, seems to be dropping "incorrect" doctrines and adopting "correct" ones. For example, I have often been told here to repent of my "Mormonism".

But repentance is forsaking unChristlike behavior, turning to Christ, and learning Christlike behavior from Him, studying the Scriptures and living accordingly, doing what He says.

I wanted to respond to this before this thread gets locked down. Hopefully, Alex will have a chance to respond before that time. What you have stated in a couple of sentences is the crux of what many feel is the problem. The traditional Reformed emphasis was that Christianity included both belief and duty. So while I would agree with your second emphasis relating to duty it is the first emphasis on belief that we disagree. What you and many other Christians here believe is that ones beliefs may be relative or even contradictory as long as certain other criteria are met. In your case, the emphasis is on engaging in certain actions as proof of a correct relationship with God but beliefs may vary widely and that's OK. The Mormon belief in second chances after this life is the obvious cause of that relavitism. Any orthodox Christian would, of course, reject such a notion and implicitly this reveals why beliefs are so important to an orthodox Christian.

972 posted on 01/26/2004 7:51:03 AM PST by lockeliberty
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To: White Mountain; lockeliberty; drstevej
I have talked about repentance, praying about things, and obedience to the laws and ordinances of Christ's Gospel, but not tying them together, as you have, to mean that repentance would only be possible if you became a faithful Latter-Day Saint.

I tie them together because your prior posts have repeatedly placed them within the same context, usually within the same post. If you intended to use them differently this time, as you seem to indicate above, then I accept your redefinition of it's use.

Repentance, to many Protestants, seems to be dropping "incorrect" doctrines and adopting "correct" ones. For example, I have often been told here to repent of my "Mormonism". But repentance is forsaking unChristlike behavior, turning to Christ, and learning Christlike behavior from Him, studying the Scriptures and living accordingly, doing what He says.

In the past we have disagreed on exactly Who and What Jesus Christ is (spirit-Brother of Lucifer), and since we have disagreed on what constitutes the Scriptures (Book of Mormon, D&C, POGP) and how they were written ("God-breathed" not violating free will, hence written errors), and since we have disagreed on the particular practices and outworkings of "living accordingly" (temple practices, sacred undergarments, communion water, baptisms for the dead, polygamy in Heaven, etc), therefore for you to suggest that I "engage in Christlike behavior" would be entirely within your understanding of Jesus Christ, and your religion's outlines for what constitutes proper and holy behavior. Thus, I do not find that you are disagreeing with my observation that when you say I need to repent, that you are actually saying I need to become a "faithful Latter-day Saint", in practice if not on the membership rolls.

You must understand that I would definitely like to agree with you, but I have already repented of my sinful actions, I already study the Scriptures daily, I already strive to like a Christlike life and behave in a Christlike fashion, and I already live accordingly. You must agree that we cannot find common ground, so long as you use these phrases with an entirely different context and world-view than the commonly held ones. We can agree on what you mean by them, but we cannot agree that this is the historic, Biblically held definitions for them.

So when a poster has not been practicing Sidebar Moderator's New Testament rules (which are the Lord's rules), but then puts them into practice and posts accordingly, with mutual respect and treating others as he would be treated, that is repentance.

Personal challenge for you, WM - exactly how many warnings have you ever received from this, or any prior mod on FR? Would you like to compare scores, to see who needs to change their posting style? You must understand that I have no need of repentance in this area, even under the old rules (unless you want to talk about the weather). For you to accuse me otherwise is slanderous.

And since you did not respond to my third observation again, I am forced to conclude that your accusations towards "those who post this way" are directed specifically towards myself, drstevej, and various others whom you previously referred to as "this poster" and pinged as "ALL" instead of to us directly.

990 posted on 01/26/2004 8:48:30 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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