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To: OLD REGGIE
"Peter was trying to save Jesus from a certain and terrible fate.”

And Peter knew something Jesus didn't?

No he didn’t. He was overcome with grief and had lost sight of Jesus’ ultimate mission. That’s why Jesus rebuked him so sharply. It was like a slap in the face to straighten out a shell-shocked soldier.

”Peter was older and already burdened with being head of the Apostles.”

And the other Apostles didn't know this?

It is only logical that Jesus reminded them to be of servants to each other as found in Luke, before making the following announcement as found in Matthew:

18And I tell you that you are Peter,[3] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[4] will not overcome it.[5] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[6] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[7] loosed in heaven."

And what did Jesus say?
Yet subordinate to James?

What’s your point here?

699 posted on 01/24/2004 3:36:46 PM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Barnacle
It is only logical that Jesus reminded them to be of servants to each other as found in Luke, before making the following announcement as found in Matthew:

Except that you have your chronology backwards.

(Reg) And what did Jesus say?

This question was in response to your claim "Peter was older and already burdened with being head of the Apostles."

Well after this time the Apostles argued amongst themselves as to who was the greatest. Obviously they didn't accept Peter as the "head of the Apostles".

After this "who is the greatest" argument Jesus said:

Luke 22:
24: A dispute also arose among them, which of them was to be regarded as the greatest.
25: And he said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors.
26: But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves.


Not only did the Apostles argue amongst themselves as to which was the greatest, Jesus made it clear that no one of them was.

(Reg) Yet subordinate to James?

What’s your point here?

Acts 15:
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,


Peter was an invited guest at this council presided over by James. James made the judgment. If Peter was "appointed head of the Apostles" by Jesus he certainly would have convened and presided over this council. In fact, he attended and had authority equal to his fellows.

The point is Peter was subordinate to James in this instance.

814 posted on 01/25/2004 11:42:01 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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