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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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To: Sidebar Moderator
Please, allow me to critique your use of Scripture and then tell you why you have no idea what you are talking about.

You blank blank blank.

Kidding...Who siad there is no humor in the religious forum.
521 posted on 01/23/2004 8:32:23 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: Sidebar Moderator
WONDERFUL!

THANKS for taking the thankless job!

Please avoid hesitating to exhort me as you see fit. I will earnestly seek to live within the spirit as well as the letter of your guidelines.

Blessings to you and yours.
522 posted on 01/23/2004 8:34:04 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
[sigh] Take discussions regarding Mormonism to threads posted for that purpose, and I'll decide on a case-by-case basis.

That's not much of a guide to how I should post.

523 posted on 01/23/2004 8:34:39 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: xzins
The context will tell if those are what is meant.

That's exactly what I've been saying. I used the term to mean weakling, etc. BUT NO, apparently the etymology of the word ORGINALLY meant female anatomy so any other connotation is thus sinful. Do you suppose that the application towards cats had anything to do with the original meaning? Sheesh.


525 posted on 01/23/2004 8:40:14 PM PST by lockeliberty
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To: drstevej; White Mountain; Sidebar Moderator
The wierd thing is that whenever the words of the Leaders WM is discussing are posted, the threads are yanked with no discussion. What causes this fear of discussing (for example) the behavior of Mr Hinckley in regards to the White Salamander letters of Mark Hoffman? And why is this an unacceptable discussion to air in the Religion forum?
526 posted on 01/23/2004 8:40:30 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: A.J.Armitage
That's not much of a guide to how I should post.

What would Jesus do? :)

Seriously, the guidelines are contained in the original announcement. Follow them (Him).

527 posted on 01/23/2004 8:40:42 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: CARepubGal
Did I not say that everything we moderators complained that you all were doing up to the date of the posting of this thread was forgiven? Give me a little quid-pro-quo here. Until I became the moderator of the Religion Forum I paid no attention to what was going on over here. I don't know why those threads were pulled. I didn't pull them.

It's a new day 'round here. Just as new for me as it is for you. Let's start from there, okay?

528 posted on 01/23/2004 8:44:59 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; A.J.Armitage
He's all yours.
529 posted on 01/23/2004 8:45:28 PM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was.")
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To: Sidebar Moderator
No problemo. Just sort of curious about the etiquette nowdays (I would hate to blunder into something in error). :-)

Pax?
530 posted on 01/23/2004 8:48:09 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: CARepubGal
Pax?

That's the idea.

531 posted on 01/23/2004 8:49:24 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Cool! (note: Peace sounds too hippy and I really cannot abide hippies: too stupid and smelly!) :-)
532 posted on 01/23/2004 8:50:33 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: lockeliberty
The weakling meaning DOES derive from the female anatomy word.

Beside, in it's own right it is derogatory even when used to call someone a weakling. Weakling is not pleasant; calling them a "p" is a personal attack.

You lose on either count there, but my guess is you should just do what you want. If you get zotted, then you'll know.

But I have spoken wisdom to you.
533 posted on 01/23/2004 8:51:55 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
What would Jesus do?

Call them a brood of vipers and whited sepulchres?

534 posted on 01/23/2004 8:51:57 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lead Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; bluebunny
I want to know who all these whiners are.

Somehow I suspect the whiners on the religious forum are frequent flyers.

Always having their feelings or sensibilites hurt.

In all honesty the only group I have seen that is constantly or consistantly ridiculed by mainstream christians are the LDS members of the forum.

Every faction seem rather comfortable calling them names and ridiculing their religion.

So who is it that whines all the time?
536 posted on 01/23/2004 8:54:43 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: Barnacle
Or the Apostles.I've always wondered who was the counter balance on the Bell.
537 posted on 01/23/2004 9:00:22 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Sidebar Moderator; P-Marlowe; All
AJ's post #493: Mountain Meadows Massacre. Before Sept. 11 it was the largest religiously-inspired mass murder in American history. The guy who ordered it liked to bring 'em young.

Some of these attack posts can be very brief. Consider all the false accusations in just two sentences: "largest ... in American history", "religiously-inspired", "mass murder", "The guy who ordered it", "liked to", and finally the oft-repeated play on President Young's name "bring 'em young".

It does no good to reply to such posts. They just come back with the same thing next time the subject comes up, whatever they think are the best-sounding accusations.

(I do not flag AJ because I do not want to seem to be inviting more of the same.)

Marlowe's #389: But if we are going to have free and open and cordial discussions of religion, then allegations (whether true or false) against religious leaders and allegations (whether true or false) about what certain religions teach or have taught in the past, should not be considered as violative of the spirit of the religion forum or of the general posting rules on FR provided they are done to further discussion and ultimately seek the truth rather than to ridicule or berate any particular poster's beliefs.

In theory that may seem to be a high-minded and noble idea, but in practice it doesn't ever work out that way here because of a multitude of posts like #493 and because of the lack of a scholarly approach to subjects that require lots of careful scholarship to present them in their most accurate light.

Anyone trying to read such a thread (and Marlowe and I have posted on dozens of them over the months and years) just gets a load of disinformation, inflammatory rhetoric, and poisoned bait. Why should I cooperate with that?

It is better to stick to the Scriptures. The Word of God tends to calm the discussion.

538 posted on 01/23/2004 9:01:39 PM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: A.J.Armitage
"The bell curve: Shouldn't the Pope be able to chop off the offending end of the curve?

The question of their Catholicity: Why does the Pope suffer non-Catholics to be in communion with him? Matthew 13:24-43

(sigh)

Matthew 13:24-30

"24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

539 posted on 01/23/2004 9:03:44 PM PST by AlguyA
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To: White Mountain
We all want the gentle ones who have been driven away to come back, and the aggressive ones to cooperate and live by the rules of the forum.

I politely disagree. Speaking on behalf of the aggressive lobby, we would like the gentle ones to show a little backbone, and grow a thicker hide. It might help them to stick around longer. Iron cannot sharpen iron without generating some friction in the process.

540 posted on 01/23/2004 9:05:01 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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