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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Was Pius XII wrong to oppose Hitler's plans???

Yes. Pius XII is a spiritual leader and should have used spiritual weapons - like excommunicating Hitler - if he was a spiritual problem. He had no business orchestrating spy netowrks infiltrated by criminals and communists and endangering the Church in this manner.

Sorry to bash this intenecine Catholic thread, but I feel compelled. Let me be blunt with you. Beyond you rather caviliar reaction or non reaction to the horror of Hitler trying to systematically kill every Jew he could get his hands on, because they were Jews, as his top priority, even more important than waging war itself, what is also offensive is your attitude that not discommoding the Church, as you see it, was more important than defeating defeating the more execrable historical monster of all time, Hitler. A church that does not make expunging Hitler its top priority, is a Church that in a most noisome manner has its moral compass wrong, at least in my a priori universe. Heck, you don't even say Hitler should have been excommunicated, unless he was a "spiritual problem," whatever the hell that means. Splendid.

Continuing to be blunt, your attitude brings back ugly memories of just why so many Jews and Protestants so distrusted the institution of the Church, back in pre Vatican II days, even though I don't think your leitmotif was ever really representative of its adherents. But it was far too prevalent.

It is good that your thoughts are abstractly and rather turgidly written, and largely consigned to the religion ghetto. If daylight were shined upon you in a more public place, you would be a profoundly divisive and negative force to conservatism, and to religious comity among various faiths, and to this site. Not that you would care.

85 posted on 01/21/2004 9:25:29 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
A church that does not make expunging Hitler its top priority, is a Church that in a most noisome manner has its moral compass wrong, at least in my a priori universe.

No a Church that allies itself with Soviet Russia to expunge the Nazis is one that has lost is moral compass.

You seem to be suffering from the "Hitler the only Mosnter" syndrome. Many of us think that he should have been left to a slugfest with Stalin, with the good guys coming in to mop up the remains of both.

Heck, you don't even say Hitler should have been excommunicated, unless he was a "spiritual problem," whatever the hell that means.

No, I'm not trying to reinterpret what Pius XII was thinking by using temporal weapons he didn't have in place of spiritual weapons he did. Me personally, I think Hitler should have been excommunicated before the war for his assaults on the Church in 1937-1938, along with an interdict of all of Germany to foment social unrest. That is what a real Pope, like a St. Gregory VII, would have done.

107 posted on 01/22/2004 5:53:18 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Torie
Not that you would care.

No, I don't care what you think, because I already know who you are and what your agenda is.

As I said to you about 1 year ago - 225 years ago, my ancestors with other Americans of like mind fought a war to kick people like you out of this country and back to Britain. Its too bad you've returned with your obnoxious ideas. Don't expect to sell them to me though.

112 posted on 01/22/2004 8:27:33 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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