Many many people were told to leave the Church. Anyone who refused to go along with the new program was told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome.
No one has bolted up the door and refused entry.
Many, many Catholics found the doors of their churches bolted, prior to the arrival of the wrecking crew, so that some new modern monstrosity could take its place.
No one has said anyone is not allowed to buy books or teach their children.
Millions upon millions of Catholics have sent their children to Catholic schools, often at great personal sacrifice, believing that they were being taught the faith, only to find out that the faith of their children was destroyed through the teaching of insidious heresies using catechism materials that are outright denials of the Catholic faith.
If people have left the Church or failed to teach their children the faith - ITS THEIR OWN FAULT!
The Church is here to save souls, not condemn them. To say that the tens of millions of souls who have fallen away from the faith deserved to go to Hell is callousness of a high order. The shepherds had a divine obligation to protect their sheep. "The good shepherd give his life for his sheep." You cannot reconcile the statement above with a genuine Catholic concern for souls.
Not the Bishops, not the Parishes, not the Liberals, and not Vatican II. NO ONE DID IT BUT THEM!
Not true. Lay Catholics never asked or wanted any of this. They never asked for a new Mass. They never asked for a new morality. They never asked for new catechisms. They wanted to continue practicing the Catholic faith, but they were denied that opportunity by the bishops and the parishes and the liberals all acting in the name of Vatican II.
The same means that have always been available are still available. If people don't avail themselves of it, its not the fault of the Church, but their own fault.
Only the despised traditionalists are publishing any of the materials that used to be available. The major publishing houses have gone out of business. The mainstream Church publishes absolutely nothing of Catholic tradition. An ordinary Catholic attending a New Mass parish has no clue that anything ever existed prior to 1962. They deliberately suppress all knowledge of everything that happened before the revolution, just like Orwell described.
The crisis in the Church is a crisis of the faithful leaving the Church for supposed greener pastures in Protestantism and Atheism.
If you have true faith in the Catholic Church, then you know that souls will not voluntarily leave the true Church and the true Faith for greener pastures. If they are given the true Faith, if they are served by true shepherds, if the reality of grace is communicated to them, they will never leave for protestantism or atheism or any other -ism. A few will always fall away, but the mass defections we are currently witnessing can only be a sign that the faithful are being unlawfully denied their rightful heritage which is the fullnes of the Catholic Faith.
Gratutitous assertion with no backing. And is the direction of the Church given over to the heirarchy or the laity?
Many, many Catholics found the doors of their churches bolted, prior to the arrival of the wrecking crew, so that some new modern monstrosity could take its place.
Last time I checked, the deeds were in the name of the Bishop, not the parishoners.
Millions upon millions of Catholics have sent their children to Catholic schools, often at great personal sacrifice, believing that they were being taught the faith, only to find out that the faith of their children was destroyed through the teaching of insidious heresies using catechism materials that are outright denials of the Catholic faith.
Entirely the fault of the parents. Parents bear the primary responsibility for what goes into their children's minds. If they really didn't like it, they are free to not send them there.
The Church is here to save souls, not condemn them. To say that the tens of millions of souls who have fallen away from the faith deserved to go to Hell is callousness of a high order. The shepherds had a divine obligation to protect their sheep.
Max, don't put words in my mouth. I never said "deserved to go to hell" you dishonest scoundrel. I said if people leave the Church, IT IS THEIR OWN FAULT (barring an excommunication). The sheep have an obligation to follow their shepherds, not to wander off on their own.
Lay Catholics never asked or wanted any of this. They never asked for a new Mass. They never asked for a new morality. They never asked for new catechisms.
From the overwhelmingly positive response to the introduction of Mass in English, I'd say you are totally wrong. Reading historical accoutns of the time show that 75-80% of attendees approved of the changes.
They wanted to continue practicing the Catholic faith, but they were denied that opportunity by the bishops and the parishes and the liberals all acting in the name of Vatican II.
Utter nonesense. The Catholics Faith is still being and will always be practiced in the Catholic Church. You are just displaying your inner schismatic for all to see. Think of how many people have given up devotions at their home. Did the liberals and evil progressive Bishops burst in at gunpoint and say "Stop saying a family Rosary, stop saying grace at meals, stop praying before bed, stop hanging crucifixes and images, and for pitys sake, no more holy water stoops, or will shoot you all dead!"??? Come on Max! The fault of apostacy lies at the feet of the apostates.
Only the despised traditionalists are publishing any of the materials that used to be available. The major publishing houses have gone out of business. The mainstream Church publishes absolutely nothing of Catholic tradition. An ordinary Catholic attending a New Mass parish has no clue that anything ever existed prior to 1962. They deliberately suppress all knowledge of everything that happened before the revolution, just like Orwell described.
I have many books and prayer books and the like published by mainstream sources full of traditional stuff. And I've never seen anything supressing knowledge of pre-1962 material anymore than in 1962 they were supressing knowledge of the books of the 1800's by not continuing to publsih them.
If you have true faith in the Catholic Church, then you know that souls will not voluntarily leave the true Church and the true Faith for greener pastures. If they are given the true Faith, if they are served by true shepherds, if the reality of grace is communicated to them, they will never leave for protestantism or atheism or any other -ism. A few will always fall away, but the mass defections we are currently witnessing can only be a sign that the faithful are being unlawfully denied their rightful heritage which is the fullnes of the Catholic Faith.
Which is it? No one will leave, or a few will fall away?
If mass apostacy is impossible, please explain the Protestant revolt, the flourishing Albigensian heresy, the Arian crisis, Monophysitism, etc.? What happened to St. Cyprian and Augustine's African Church? Where is it today? How about the Church in Egypt or Anatolia?
You sound like a Calvinist heretic here, not a Catholic. People leave the Catholic Church voluntarily all the time. The Bible warns clearly about this.
1 St. John 2.19 They went out from us but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us: but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.
Honestly, its a good description of folks like you too.
All your thrashing about in the wake of St. Peter's Barque is just going to sink your little lifeboat. Do you have your Sou'wester and Mae West on? You are going to need them.