Posted on 01/19/2004 5:40:15 PM PST by Gamecock
Not sure what you are asking. The Bible is the Word of God, and we think the King James translators have done the best job of rendering it into English. God has revealed more of His Word in these latter days, and that is the rest of the LDS Scriptures, which consist of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.
The Book of Mormon is composed of different books written by different Israelite prophets, like the Bible, but they did not live in the Middle East. Their ancestors had migrated to the Americas from the land of Jerusalem. Jesus Christ visited them, His "other sheep", after His resurrection and ascension into heaven. What He said to them (several chapters) may be found at the other link in my #487.
It isn't. The root of Nephilim (Strong's 05303, which occurs in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, translated "giants" in the KJV) is naphal (Strong's 05307), which is the verb "to fall" and is itself a primitive root.
Looking through Smith's Bible Dictionary, Hebrew words that begin with the consonants N and ph have widely different meanings.
The root of Nephites is the proper name Nephi, as in the first two verses in the Book of Mormon:
1 Nephi 1:1-2Nephi was born and raised in the land of Jerusalem by his father Lehi, who was of the tribe of Manasseh. He married a daughter of Ishmael, who was of the tribe of Ephraim.
1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days.
2 Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians.
The Lord commanded Lehi to take his family and journey into the desert, because of the impending captivity of the Jews by King Nebuchadnezzar. Lehi and his party were eventually led to the Americas, which was a promised land to them. Lehi had both righteous and wicked sons, and after his death they divided into two camps which remained at odds with each other for centuries, the righteous Nephites, named after Nephi, and the Lamanites after Nephi's older brother Laman.
The word Nephi may come from the Egyptian city of N-ph, transliterated into Hebrew as Noph, which appears in the Old Testament in several places, and translated into English as Memphis.
Mem'phis (haven, of the good), a city of ancient Egypt, situated on that western bank of the Nile, about nine miles south of Cairo and five from the great pyramids and the sphinx. It is mentioned by Isaiah 40:14, 19; and Ezekiel, Ezekiel 30:13, 16; under the name of Noph.
Smith's Bible Dictionary
Actually, Hebrew in Nephi's day (600 BC) was written without vowels, so it would be nph in Egyptian letters transliterated into nph in Hebrew letters when the Egyptian city we now call Memphis was referred to in the Old Testament.
You would be better to go with the giants, as I have read reports of 14 foot men and women, with 6 fingers and toes, found in burial mounds in the midwest. I don't know if these reports are true, but they could be. Mark, of 10toes
I quoted Smith's Bible Dictionary. I will let you take it up with them. You acknowledge that nph/Noph is an Egyptian word, and that was my suggestion, that the word Nephi may come from that.
>> you can't prove that what you are saying is true, as you have no Hebrew documents available to scholars, to back up your claim. You would be better to go with the giants
Prove what -- that "the word Nephi may come from", or that "the Lord commanded Lehi to take his family and journey into the desert"?
I think it is time, once again, to end this conversation. The moderator is very concerned about a never-ending "war" of non-LDS against LDS and has stated that suspensions and worse are next without any effort on his part to sort out "who started it" this time, or "who is at fault" this time, so if this is going to get into "prove this", "prove that", and claims of "creativity", let's end it before it looks to the moderator like a resumption of hostilities.
I have borne witness many times that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God and another true Testament of Jesus Christ, and that is what you may assume from my silence.
All peace,
WM, of ten toes
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