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To: Unam Sanctam
I have already explained that the Koran kissing is not a doctrinal statement.

What have been the doctrinal statements, if any, from John Paul II?

That Jews have their own covenant for their salvation? That muslims worship the same God as Catholics, while they deny the divinity of Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity? That Hell is not a physical place, in spite of the Blessed Mother's warning, but a merely a state of "existence".

Please name for me, the the most recent declaration from a Pope, pronounced ex-cathedra on matters of Faith and morals.

10 posted on 01/14/2004 9:08:31 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Your sect is turning into something akin to a college fraternity, expelling members who share the secret word with someone outside the sect.

You have fewer and fewer defenders around here, Irish.

I have to laugh at the pitiful, lame articles you post. Nobody responds to them, and even your SSPX buddies seem to have deserted you here.

When your head has stopped spinning, and is turned round to the front again, hopefully you'll see that your only salvation is in the One True Church.

Not in the Lefebvrist circus, which won't tolerate the clowns talking to anyone on the outside.

Pathetic.

13 posted on 01/14/2004 9:21:13 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Land of the Irish
Please name for me, the the most recent declaration from a Pope, pronounced ex-cathedra on matters of Faith and morals.

If you are of the position that His Holiness has not issued any formal teachings which are binding (I'm not agreeing that this is the case), then why aren't you in union with Rome? You and your kind always bring up things like the Asissi prayer meeting and the Koran-kissing. If you hold that the Pope has made no formal doctrinal declarations on matters pertaining to faith and morals, then all you can say is that these particular actions are sinful or gravely sinful (and I'm not saying that I agree with you.) But does the serious sin of a pontiff legitimate schism? Would you have broken from Rome when Alexander VI was the supreme pontiff?

17 posted on 01/14/2004 10:06:15 PM PST by pseudo-ignatius
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To: Land of the Irish
What have been the doctrinal statements, if any, from John Paul II?

Don't forget "The Theology of the Body."

33 posted on 01/15/2004 12:39:13 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: Land of the Irish
So I guess you cannot come up with one statement that is unorthodox. Please cite the specific language and document.
38 posted on 01/15/2004 5:53:44 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Land of the Irish
That Jews have their own covenant for their salvation?

The Pope never said that, AFAIK. A small committee of loopy American bishops did. They have since learned their lesson and shut up.

That muslims worship the same God as Catholics, while they deny the divinity of Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity?

Unaware that the Pope ever said such a thing. Vatican II adverted that the Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham. Is that what you're thinking of?

That Hell is not a physical place, in spite of the Blessed Mother's warning, but a merely a state of "existence".

This is the one that really rung my bell. The Pope NEVER said that hell was not a physical place. The word he used, in Italian, was "piu". Any musician knows that "piu" means "more," so what he said was that hell was more than a place. This got mistranslated in the American media as "rather than a place," to be further mangled by you into "not a place". Nifty progression, there: from "more than a place" (what the Pope said) to "not a place" (what you think the Pope said).

52 posted on 01/15/2004 10:53:19 AM PST by Campion
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