[dangus]

*pounds head on desk*

It's not still wine!
That's the doctrine of consubstantiation, and is explicitly and emphatically rejected by the Catholic church.
It still comes from a vine, yes, but now it has been changed into something ELSE!

[Fury]

Howdy.

Don't pound your head on the desk for Havoc, or any man ;). See post 106 for how John 6 progresses. When someone does not understand scaramental literalism, it's eitehr because they can't or they won't. Either way, it's a problem.