Fundamentalists and Catholics Whose Bible is it, anyway?

http://www.christlife.org/library/articles/C_understand2.html ^ | Peter Kreeft

[HarleyD]

A play upon semantics. I would suggest you search the scriptures and compare Catholic theology against them.

Unlike what is reported in this article I do not believe the Bible to have "erroneous facts". If that is what the Catholic Church is teaching then I don't have to reconsider my view.

[HarleyD]

Then would you please reconcile for me the verse I just quoted?

[Barnacle]

This refers to the confession Peter made, not Peter. The name Peter means "pebble". The "rock" is a different word.

Good grief...

[Barnacle]

Thanks.

[drstevej]

Sounds like credentials to be a novo ordus priest. Are you saying the photos are not what they purport to be?

[ArrogantBustard]

I would suggest you search the scriptures and compare Catholic theology against them.
I suggest you don't ass-u-me that I haven't done so. Quite the contrary, I suggest you search the scriptures and compare Protestant theology against them. I don't see how anyone can honestly read the Scriptures and be other than Catholic. However, it's not at all a play on semantics; it's a real difference. "Jesus founded the Church and appointed Peter as His vicar" is very different from "Peter founded the Church". If you can't read and understand simple English, I shan't waste any further time 'debating' with you. What's so hard about saying "I misunderstood the Catholic Faith"? For you to say that would be the Truth, and the Truth will make you free.

Is the Earth flat? How old is it? What is the "sky", what is above it and what below it? What is the value of "pi"?

[ET(end tyranny)]

However, we don't even have the original autographs of any of the books of the Bible, so we're not absolutely sure what the exact words were.

Leave it to the Catholics to cast doubt on scripture. I've heard the above words out of atheists.

It's true though. None of the gospels were signed by their authors. Thus, we do not know who wrote them. Naming the gospels came later.

[ArrogantBustard]

Good Heavens, man! Next thing, you'll be telling us that the chapter and verse markings weren't in the original manuscripts either!

[karenbarinka]

So, how do you reconcile novel teachings of the Pope and Bishops which are clearly anti-Biblical? The Bible is very explicit about capital punishment for murderers, but for the past 10 years, the Church has begun to oppose the death penalty and even worse, begun to equate opposition to the death penalty with opposition to abortion.

Conversely, speaking about abortion, the development of the Church's teaching against it shows a perfect example of how sola scriptura was not sufficiently clear, and the Church was needed to explicitly define doctrine against abortion. But a couple thousand years of the Church being right against abortion is being muddied by new, anti-Biblical revisionism about the death penalty.

[NeoCaveman]

So, how do you reconcile novel teachings of the Pope and Bishops which are clearly anti-Biblical? The Bible is very explicit about capital punishment for murderers, but for the past 10 years, the Church has begun to oppose the death penalty and even worse, begun to equate opposition to the death penalty with opposition to abortion.

Oh this is an easy one. The Pope's personal opionions, death penalty, Iraq war, etc are not protected from error, nor has it ever been Church teaching that they are.

[NeoCaveman]

P.S. Great tag line.

[Salvation]

Wonderful article. Bookmarked!

[Salvation]

**This article is too shallow and biased to be helpful.**

Maybe shallow for your educational and experiential levels. But for many, just digging into this subject, the article brings forth some valid points.

Another point -- there are always new FReepers coming into the Religion Forum. Acutally I added three within the last week to my ping list.

[NYer]

Unlike what is reported in this article I do not believe the Bible to have "erroneous facts".

The question you have to ask yourself is this: ‘Where did we get the Bible?’ Until you can give a satisfactory answer, you aren’t in much of a position to rely on the authority of Scripture or to claim that you can be certain that you know how to accurately interpret it.

[drstevej]

The problem isn't that it is shallow, it is biased and inaccurate.

[Salvation]

** Are we each our own god or do we submit ourselves to Christ through the Church He founded?**

Excellent point. And you said it so simply! God bless!

[Salvation]

John 6:60-71 is about the selection of the disciples. I see nothing about election.......am I mistaken here?

[Salvation]

**They may only accept the private interpretation of the pope .**

Where did you get this? Source??

[NYer]

But a couple thousand years of the Church being right against abortion is being muddied by new, anti-Biblical revisionism about the death penalty.

The bible also provides guidelines for proper living - do you refrain from eating pork and shellfish? Do the women in your life go monthly to a mikvah? (didn't think so)

[Salvation]

Mom, are you having a bad day?

We are all learners...and if we aren't we are liars or else we are six feet under.