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To: St.Chuck
Sneer, Max's post is an excellent example of how an integrist thinks.

Yes, me and Art Sippo, integrist pals. Here's what Sippo said in his first sentence:

the Revised Roman Rite of Pope Paul VI (ie., the Pauline Rite)
I guess Sippo is another one of those nasty "integrists" who believes that the "New Mass" is actually "New," or at least "revised," or the "Pauline Rite."
15 posted on 12/30/2003 8:26:11 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
I guess Sippo is another one of those nasty "integrists" who believes that the "New Mass" is actually "New," or at least "revised," or the "Pauline Rite."

More integrism. Calling the rite by a different name merely explains that the incidentals, the words of the prayers are changed. Sippo maintains that the sacrificial nature of the mass is unchanged.

16 posted on 12/30/2003 8:39:07 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Maximilian
Quo Primum

.... This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding. All other of the churches referred to above, however, are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be discontinued entirely and absolutely; whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure....

The vacuous liturgical histories written by integrists can't even get that simple point right and your ilk is doomed to endlessly repeating a new rite isn't right.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

27 posted on 12/31/2003 3:17:39 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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