Are there any listeners to J. Vernon McGee here?

12/28/03

[Zechariah11]

Probably not.

From the looks of things it eems like it is about:
66% Catholic,
22% Calvinist,
8% Arminian
4% Others

[Cvengr]

I'll vote for Vernon McGee. Good delivery.

[Zechariah11]

Great, that's two of us. I just finished listening to his Sunday Sermon (http://www.ttb.org/).

I've been listening to him for so long I think I've acquired his Texas accent.

[skraeling]

Takes a while to get used to (or over) that modified Tenn/Texas accent, but he's one of the best.

[skraeling]

J Vernon McGee.

[Zechariah11]

I'm feeling better already. I was beginning to feel a little like General Custer here.

[Zechariah11]

I don't know about you but I am very tired of the bickering
going on about predestination around here. Talk about fixations!
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Just this evening, on the Sunday Sermon, McGee was quoting some passages from Corinthians where Paul said incessant bickering over Scripture reflects carnality.

[RnMomof7]

I have listened to Vernon may years.His folksy style is a rest from the high powered face time people.

[RnMomof7]

Just this evening, on the Sunday Sermon, McGee was quoting some passages from Corinthians where Paul said incessant bickering over Scripture reflects carnality.

I would classify arguing about pews or chairs or pink or violet in the ladies room "bickering"

Differences about doctrine gave you the reformation . We are told to teach sound doctrine and not be led astray by another doctrine.

The Corinthians WERE Carnal..and it was more than words about doctrine

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J Vernon McGee

Mercy! He went home in 1988! What a man!

[HarleyD]

I thought he went home to the Lord. Guess you can't keep a good man down.

Our Sunday School teacher uses his material quite extensively. I'm saving to get his commentaries. I've bookmarked his website to have a closer look. Thanks.

[Zechariah11]

Try and justify it?

I see, this is not really a factional spirit at work. You really aren't trying to refight the Predestination war again and again for Calvin, Tulip and Assoc. You are being Bereans! How foolish of me not to see that.

Again with I Corinthians 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing,
and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly
joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it
hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are
contentions among you.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.  Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Honest give and take over Scripture I can understand. But THIS is pure and simple bickering and fixation. And if it doesn't perfectly fit what Paul denounces in this passage, then I don't know what does.

I frankly don't want to be drawn into this sickening game of one-upsmanship this crowd is playing -- not because I am pious but because I am nauseated with it all.
Let me guess the response Sorry, you don't want to be Predestination/Foreknowledge/Limited Atonement Bereans like us. But WE are pious and you aren't.

[Zechariah11]

You are right about his departure for the Lord.

If you wish to visit the website, you have a choice to listen to The Best of McGee (about 15 minutes each), the regular broadcast (25 minutes), or Sunday Sermon (45 minutes).

[Maximilian]

Thanks so much for this thread. I heard him a few times on the radio, but I had no idea that he was actually dead, or even what his name was. I was wishing to find out who he was, and as soon as I clicked on the first broadcast at the website, I immediately recognized that unmistakeable voice.

Here is the greatest line I heard from him: "Protestantism today consists primarily of a mild-mannered man standing up in front of other mild-mannered men, and telling them to be even more mild."

[Zechariah11]

Here is the greatest line I heard from him: "Protestantism today consists primarily of a mild-mannered man standing up in front of other mild-mannered men, and telling them to be even more mild."

LOL!

I wish I had one I could share back.There have been countless times he's made a good point like that. From now on I'm going to start saving them.

Posting them here so can give us all a break from some of the incessant "beat a dead horse" threads. 8•)

[RnMomof7]

Seems to me the bible stresses the importance of correct doctrine. We are not even to let one with another doctrine enter our door ..

If people indeed search the scripture they will find the doctrines of grace clearly presented by Jesus and Paul ..so yes it ia a Berean issue

Again with I Corinthians 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown

11. ( 1Cr 11:18 ).
      by them . . . of . . . house of Chloe--They seem to have been alike in the confidence of Paul and of the Corinthians. The Corinthians "wrote" to the apostle ( 1Cr 7:1 ), consulting him concerning certain points; marriage, the eating of things offered to idols, the decorum to be observed by women in religious assemblies. But they said not a syllable about the enormities and disorders that had crept in among them. That information reached Paul by other quarters. Hence his language about those evils is, "It hath been declared unto me," &c.; "It is reported commonly" ( 1Cr 5:1, 2 ). All this he says before he refers to their letter, which shows that the latter did not give him any intimation of those evils. An undesigned proof of genuineness [PALEY, Horae Paulinae]. Observe his prudence: He names the family, to let it be seen that he made his allegation not without authority: he does not name the individuals, not to excite odium against them. He tacitly implies that the information ought rather to have come to him directly from their presbyters, as they had consulted him about matters of less moment.

{Paul was addressing heresies coming into the church and that He did not want them..not that they should stand silent as heresies are taught as truth )

1Cr 11:18   For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.     
1Cr 11:19   For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

It does NOT fit "perfectly" with what Paul is talking about here. The "bickering" is about correct doctrine ..not sin in the church

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Honest give and take over Scripture I can understand.

Perhaps you fail to understand the core of the tension is scriptural, as these are scriptural issues .

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Let me guess the response Sorry, you don't want to be Predestination/Foreknowledge/Limited Atonement Bereans like us. But WE are pious and you aren't.

Ummm was that contentious?? Was it a scriptural disagreement..or was it one up man-ship??

I am sorry that you are willing to believe anything you hear so that there is no "friction or disagreement" . Go along to get along is what makes churches irrelevant .

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

[Zechariah11]

Ummm was that contentious?? Was it a scriptural disagreement..or was it one up man-ship?? I am sorry that you are willing to believe anything you hear so that there is no "friction or disagreement" . Go along to get along is what makes churches irrelevant .

Boy, you can read me like a book, can't you?
I'll give you the last comment, so take it now. Then, go find someone else with whom to argue. I'm sure you can find some eager Arminian willing to play your game.

[OpusatFR]

I listen to his expositions. He has some very good interpretations of passages I have stumbled over attempting to interpret.

The only place I disagree is theologically on the endtimes interpretations. As a Catholic, I look at the endtimes as an everyday journey. We say, "Christ has come. Christ has risen. Christ will come again."

[Zechariah11]

Thanks for commenting.
Listening to any Bible teacher is like eating fish. Get the meat and avoid the bones. I'm the same way with a different expositor.

[Zechariah11]

From Monday's broadcast of the Best of McGee
http://www.ttb.org/bestof.htm

The Transfiguration:

Matthew 17:2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

There has been an impression that there was a spotlight put on him from heaven. That is not the thought in any of the Gospel writers. They do not give you that impression at all. Instead, they give you the impression that the light shone from within. His raiment was white as the light. Because the light came from the outside? No. My friend, the light was from within.