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To: conservonator
What a coincidence; I was waiting for the Maryphobs to show up!

To be a Mariophobe would imply that I hated Mary and was afraid of her. I am neither afraid of her, nor do I hate her. She is, as the Bible says, blessed among women.

Q. Name a theology thaht prohibits love, admiration, and venoration for anyting other than Christ. A. Yours.

I love other people than Christ alone--I could not be a Christian if I did not love my brother, for example. I admire people, heroes of the faith like John Wesley, E. Stanley Jones, A.W. Tozer and W.E. Sangster. I even venerate them, to the degree that I admire them. I do not, however, pray to them or let them come anywhere near usurping God's place in my heart.

If one has the capacity to elevate Mary to a level of veneration that you find uncomfortable, imagine how much further they elevate their worship of Christ.

There are those who would 'venerate' Mary to the point of proclaiming her Co-mediatrix with Christ. Tell me how their veneration of Mary has elevated their worship of Christ. I am not convinced that the elevation of Men in one's sight elevates God still higher.

28 posted on 12/30/2003 11:10:07 AM PST by The Grammarian
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To: The Grammarian
To be a Mariophobe would imply that I hated Mary and was afraid of her. I am neither afraid of her, nor do I hate her. She is, as the Bible says, blessed among women.

pho·bi·a n. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

This dictionary definition seems to fit you and many other Protestants to a "T" when it comes to Mary. On the outside it almost seems to reflect a faith in Christ so weak that to focus, even obliquely, on anything else would damage, beyond repair that professed faith. And frankly, Maryphobe is far less offensive than the implications that the term "Mariolitors" conjures up.

I love other people than Christ alone--I could not be a Christian if I did not love my brother, for example. I admire people, heroes of the faith like John Wesley, E. Stanley Jones, A.W. Tozer and W.E. Sangster. I even venerate them, to the degree that I admire them. I do not, however, pray to them or let them come anywhere near usurping God's place in my heart.

Your inability to discern the intent and faith of those who hold the Mother of God in the highest esteem of any human has no bearing. Frankly, you willingness to venerate heretics and apostates before the Mother of God is appalling.

There are those who would 'venerate' Mary to the point of proclaiming her Co-mediatrix with Christ. Tell me how their veneration of Mary has elevated their worship of Christ. I am not convinced that the elevation of Men in one's sight elevates God still higher.

You do understand that the “co” in co-mediatrix doesn’t mean equal to don’t you? I can tell you how veneration of Mary elevates Christ but I can never convince you until you abandon your man made tradition of Protestantism and all the baggage it caries. All true Catholics recognize that Mary is a created being. All true Catholics realize that the created can never eclipse God who alone is worthy of worship. If this is true, and it is, than any elevation or veneration Mary enjoys magnifies our worship of God. Again, your inability to understand and my inability to explain adequately are not conditions of truth.

29 posted on 12/30/2003 12:45:32 PM PST by conservonator
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