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To: sirchtruth
The term for God used there is the SAME term used for God, The Father.

Me being dishonest....huh. You can't even read what I write. I have answered this VERY question several times just on this thread.

Its just YOU chose to ignore it.

I have said it. I have explained it. I have explained it again. I will not explain it again to you because you will ignore it again and again.

I don't know WHAT the hebrew word is, and I don't care. But even if what you are saying is true regarding that word it fits perfectly with what explained earlier on this thread regarding how Christ can be considered God. In ways He CAN be considered the Father because He is the Creator.

If GW Bush assigns a staff member to organize a new agency who is the creator and father of that agency? Is it the President himself or the staff member that was assigned?

He is still not His Father, but He is the Creator and hence can be in some ways considered the Father of this world.

There is no mixing and matching. Go back about 20 posts and re read my post about how the creation took place. Then hopefully you will yourself be honest, and at least see my point. Hopefully you will see that in the scriptures some use the same terminology to refer to BOTH, but it depends on context as to what it actually means.

Until you honestly grasp that concept, there is no need for you to reply.

160 posted on 12/25/2003 6:32:15 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
I don't know WHAT the hebrew word is, and I don't care. But even if what you are saying is true regarding that word it fits perfectly with what explained earlier on this thread regarding how Christ can be considered God. In ways He CAN be considered the Father because He is the Creator.

It's not whether he can be considered anything...Look you are arguing Jesus Is NOT equal with God and I am refuting you with facts you can not deny.

The fact that you do not know the hebrew or greek word for God the father doesn't mean a whole lot, what matters is your interpretation glossing over the meanings of words and facts. You keep looking at this metaphorically and you need to understand that Jesus is God the Father because he not only implied it, he said it in so many ways there's no mistake about it. In John when he says, "I and the father are ONE." He's not speaking metaphorically like he's just a son. The ONE in the heb...original context or meaning is divisible...it's not meant to be a figurative term, and we know this because of the original meaning. ONE = WHOLE = INDIVIDUAL. You can't just wave that off, it's what it meant!

"If you have seen me you have seen the Father" I'm sorry if you want to try to twist and cort that to mean, "he is his father's alright, he acts just like him," you're fooling yourself. Especially when it was preceeded with "Show us the Father."

I have no problem with you arguing Jesus was just a son of God and not equal with him, but when you take a fact and try to twist the word to fit what you want it to do, that's not being honest about the reality.

Listen my intent is not to offend anyone eventhough I realize I come on a little strong, but it is important that you understand Words mean things and whether or not Jesus, J. Smith or myself states something it has value until it is discredited...There is no doubt J.Smith has said and written things that have been discredited not by any individual, but by time and himself alone and I would be glad to show you anytime...using his own words and deeds.

Time for sleep...Thanks for the engagement.

176 posted on 12/25/2003 8:18:46 PM PST by sirchtruth
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