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Lost Christianities The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew
Hall Religion ^ | 2003 | Bart D. Ehrman

Posted on 12/19/2003 8:18:43 PM PST by restornu

Religions Books : Lost Christianities The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew

Scholarly and fascinating

Many Christians would be surprised to find that the early Christian church was not one with a common theology with only very minor differences between them. In fact there were many major differences between the early churches. Some believed that Christ was entirely human and not divine at all. Others believed he was entirely divine and not human at all. And, of course, there were a wide variety of beliefs between those extremes. This is just one of the examples of how widely apart the early Christian church was in terms of theology, soteriology, and even the purpose of the church in the world. There were also many different "scriptures" supposedly written by the apostles or those who were in direct contact with the apostles. Some of these are patently forgeries; others are hard to tell. What were these writings? What was their significance? Did any of the early churches treat them as part of their canon of sacred scriptures? If they did then why were they not included in the current canon of the New Testament? How did these affect the beliefs of the early church or how did the beliefs of the early church affect how these were written?

Bart D. Ehrman takes on all of these questions through his riveting account of the "Lost Christianities", the beliefs and scriptures of the various early Christian churches. This is a very readable and well-organized treatise that is sure to become a commonly referred book for anyone interested in this historical aspect of the Christian Church. "Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew" is a highly recommended read.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The mysteries of Christian variety, 3.5 stars This is fundamentally a popular treatment of the topic that doesn't tell us that much new about the subject. But it is not a bad introduction. Indeed, if you are not aware that the Christian New Testament was not agreed upon until more than three centuries after the death of Jesus, that there is a whole host of other "Christian" literature some of which has as good (or bad) a claim to holy inspiration as the canon, that there were a whole host of Christian sects which radically deviated from the eventual orthodoxy, that in many areas these Christian sects were the original representatives of Christianity, and that what we now know to be Orthodoxy won its battles by, among other things, altering the text of holy scripture, then you should read this book. Ehrman's book is divided into three parts. The first looks at four Christian works that failed to enter the New Testament. Ehrman first looks at the remainder of "The Gospel of Peter," which survives to this day as an account of the crucifixion. Interestingly, Ehrman suggests we have about as many copies and references to it from this time as we do with the Gospel of Mark. We also learn about "the Apocalypse of Peter," which gives a guided tour of hell (women who braided their hair are especially miserable.) Ehrman then discusses the Acts of Thecla, a supposed apostle of Paul. We then get a discussion of the Gospel of Thomas, a collection of supposed sayings of Jesus. Some scholars believe that the Gospel of Thomas may go back to the mid-first century, but Ehrman is rather sceptical. Then we look at the Secret Gospel of Mark. According to leading Biblical scholar Morton Smith there is a seventeenth/eighteenth century copy of a letter of Clement of Alexandria (2nd century) which quotes from the supposed secret gospel. It tells of Jesus raising a man from the dead, and then insinuates a homosexual encounter between the two. Unfortunately, we have only photographs Smith took of the letter, and no-one has been able to find it in the Israeli monastery where Smith supposedly discovered it. Indeed, we cannot rule out the idea that Smith forged the letter himself.

Ehrman then discusses the many groups whom emerging proto-orthodoxy eventually condemned as heretics. There were the Ebionites, who saw Christianity as part of Judaism, and viewed Jesus as fully human. There were the Marcionites, after their founder Marcion who viewed the God of the Old Testament as fundamentally flawed, and viewed Jesus as an emissary from the true God who would liberate humanity. They were the producers of the first Christian canon: ten Pauline epistles and an edited Gospel of Luke. Then there are Gnostics who promoted a variety of views about Jesus, usually denying his humanity. Some, the Docetists, thought that Jesus's suffering was illusory since the real Jesus did not have a real body. Others, known as Adaptionists, thought that Jesus was only adapted to receive the power of the Christ at the time of his baptism, and that it left him on the cross. Ehrman provides interesting reasons why these groups were not successful. Ebionites were too Jewish, the Gnostics were too spiritually elitist, while Marcion's religion was too new to fit the conservative religious prejudices of the day. We also learn that one of the pillars of Orthodoxy had to become an antipope, because the properly elected pope believed in "heresy": the idea that Jesus was not God the son, but God altogether. The majority of the Roman church had come to this view because they believed a) Jesus was God and b) there is clearly only one God in the Bible. The antipope Hippolytus argued correctly that Jesus and God are clearly two separate people in the New Testament, and then argued, not so correctly, that Jesus must therefore be divine in a separate sense from his father.

Ehrman then discusses Orthodoxy's response. By the third century there was consensus about most of the books of the New Testament, though there were heated debates over books such as Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, and the Apocalypse of John. Opponents correctly realized that the apostles did not write these books. (Over the past two centuries scholars would realize that seven Pauline letters are the only books in the New Testament correctly attributed to their author.) We read about the Epistle of Barnabas, an early Christian letter that almost made it into the Bible. It would have been extremely embarrassing had it done so, since it claims that weasels conceive through their mouths, that hyenas change their sex every year, and that rabbits grow a new orifice every year. The most interesting part is Ehrman's discussion of the corruption of the New Testament text. We know that "heretics" altered biblical texts. The Ebionites changed a couple of letters and turned John the Baptist into a vegetarian. Ehrman also discusses Orthodox "corrections." We know about some of them because enough alternate texts survive to see the manipulation. For example the Proto-Orthodox altered passages in Luke where Mary refers to Joseph as Jesus' father. Other Christians tried to alter Jesus' final statements in Mark ("why have you forsaken me,") because it fit too well with the adoptionist heresy mentioned above. But other manipulations are harder to track. It appears that Luke's reference to Jesus "sweating blood" may have been an addition to counter Docetist beliefs. While the addition of "by the Grace of God," to a passage in Hebrews may have countered another heresy. As we do not have the original texts, we cannot tell how much of the New Testament was altered to fit the desires of Orthodoxy.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Did We Get the Bible and Modern Christianity? Review of Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew, by Bart D. Ehrman Reviewer: Mark Lamendola

The advice "Don't discuss politics or religion" usually makes good sense, because such discussions often pit one uninformed opinion against another-with a net negative result.

What happens, however, when a person undertakes massive research to present an objective, respectful, scholarly view of a religious subject? One possible result is a captivating book that opens your mind and touches your heart. Bart Erhman achieved that result with this book.

Ehrman discusses the various agendas of the authors behind both "scripture" and "heresy." He discusses how various writings supported the case for one faction of Christianity or another. He discusses what these writings were, how they came to be, how they were discovered after centuries of being lost, and how scholars have analyzed them.

During all of this discussion, Ehrman doesn't push an agenda of his own. Indeed, he appears to explain the views and goals of each faction without taking the side of any of them. Consequently, the book moves the reader to a deeper, more informed, appreciation of Christianity. That appreciation creates a desire to replace divisive dogma with healing spirituality.

The New Testament did not exist in early Christian times. It came about much later, and was a weapon in the battle for dominance among various factions. It served to unite many disparate churches into an orthodoxy. But, that orthodoxy necessarily negated the views of those whose "scriptures" weren't included in the New Testament. The New Testament is a collection of writings that support a particular set of views of Christianity (Ehrman explains why this is both a good thing and a bad thing).

Many of the canonized books are not what they are commonly purported to be. In fact, some of them are forgeries. At first glance, such a statement seems inflammatory. Perhaps that's why Ehrman takes the reader through the evidence-rather than making simple proclamations. Here's a tidbit to consider. You may not know that III Timothy was considered for canonization, but then dropped-while II Timothy was included though it was known to be a forgery. What about the other books of the New Testament? And what about the other books that didn't make it into the New Testament? Ehrman answers those questions in a manner that does not attack Christianity, but instead reframes it in the spirit of truth.

Many churches have split over differences in "following God's Word." Often, the underlying disagreements arise over interpretations of a passage in the New Testament. The "combatants for Christ" may mean well, but they both are most likely basing their differing interpretations on a forgery-rather than an Apostolic letter. As a result, we have many sects of Christianity rather than one true way.

As varied as our flavors of Christianity are today, however, the variance was much greater in the early years of Christianity. Understanding this basic fact and understanding where our divisive doctrines came from will help anyone be a better member of the Christian family. For anyone who seeks to achieve such a goal, this book tills the soil and plants the seed. If you can do just a little watering and weeding, your faith will grow like a mustard seed.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bible; gnosis; texts
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Listen to Theologian Bart D. Ehrman

He's the Bowman and Gordon Gray professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. His new book, Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew, chronicles the second and third centuries before Christianity as we know it came to be. Ehrman has also edited a collection of the early non-canonical texts from the first centuries after Christ called Lost Scriptures: Books That Did Not Make it Into The New Testament.

1 posted on 12/19/2003 8:18:44 PM PST by restornu
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To: RobbyS; CindyDawg; SoothingDave; OLD REGGIE; JHavard; Invincibly Ignorant; malakhi; Mo1; ...
CTR
2 posted on 12/19/2003 8:23:51 PM PST by restornu ( "Faith...is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes refuse to see."J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: All
A couple of American scholars found some fragments of a Coptic manuscript in a museum in Berlin some years ago. The story hit the news media early in 1997, and some vague and rather tendentious reports made. The story was reported as a 'new gospel'. Since then, the work has been edited, and the threatened media campaign has not materialised.

This page was first produced a couple of years ago as a service to those interested in new discoveries of manuscripts who might well be put off by the tone of the reportage. As such it is perhaps more forthright than I would now write, but I leave it here because I think it still has a contribution to make to its intended audience. I may rewrite it as and when I have read more of the literature.

A disclaimer: I am not a professional, I read little Greek and no Coptic or Syriac, and my own background is that of a Christian amateur interested in the transmission of texts from antiquity, and particularly of the Latin texts. My interest in New Testament Apocrypha has not been developed as I would like, for lack of time, and I'm afraid I find Gnosticism boring. However I am conscious of a large population on the Internet who are even less learned than myself, and for whom some notes might well prove useful.

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/lostgospel/
3 posted on 12/19/2003 8:50:10 PM PST by restornu ( "Faith...is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes refuse to see."J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: restornu
Well there's a deep topic of discussion

Thanks for the ping Restie
4 posted on 12/19/2003 8:55:54 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: restornu
One should study the above mentioned groups before attempting to read UMBERTO ECO's books THE NAME OF THE ROSE and FOCAULT'S PENDULUM.
Give me F. F. BRUCE's books on he bible cannon.
Definitly worth a read!
5 posted on 12/19/2003 10:04:58 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: restornu
I am always amused at these guys who come up with this stuff as if it were a new discovery. You'd think they never heard about the concept of a consensus or why it is necessary to idenfity heresy as something outside the teachings of the whole.
6 posted on 12/19/2003 10:09:06 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: restornu
Same old line since the mid 1800's... "The Bible's not trustworthy... blah, blah, blah... product of man... limited by culture..."

Can't these people think of anything new!

Jesus said you can recognize a tree by it's fruit. We are starting to see the fruit of this tree enter the latter stages of rotting and putrefying. Leave your trust in the Bible behind and you'll leave your sense of right and wrong behind soon there after.

"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

From an ex-liberal.
7 posted on 12/19/2003 10:16:24 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: restornu
these weren't "lost scriptures". They were well known heresies that were rejected by the mainstream church.

And notice these "lost scriptures" written in 200 or even 300 AD are mentioned, but no one in the group mentions the writings of the church fathers, such as the epistle of Clement, that were accepted by many parts of the mainstream church but were ultimately rejected as part of the New Testament--not because of doctrinal problems but because Clement did not know Jesus personally, he was a second generation Christian.

These people have an agenda: Try Jenkin's book on these books and their agenda:Hidden Gospels, how the search for Jesus lost it's way

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195156315/qid=1071912997/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-6238485-6369563?v=glance&s=books
8 posted on 12/20/2003 1:37:42 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: restornu; 4ConservativeJustices
Wow! More "happenstance," 4CJ. God is on the Move!
9 posted on 12/20/2003 4:44:15 AM PST by Ff--150 (But my God shall supply all your need)
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To: LadyDoc
Much of what makes its way into the popular press is not above the level of tabloid journalism.
10 posted on 12/20/2003 4:47:47 AM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: restornu
Books That Did Not Make it Into The New Testament.

Here is a link if you are interested in reading some of these Early Christian Writings

11 posted on 12/20/2003 7:16:42 AM PST by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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To: Between the Lines
Thank for the link.

I think as a history and timeline these books should have been available maybe they could not be part of the canon, but at least they were a record that era.

12 posted on 12/20/2003 7:55:18 AM PST by restornu ( "Faith...is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes refuse to see."J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Jesus said you can recognize a tree by it's fruit.

What is the difference between this and, "The ends justify the means?"
13 posted on 12/20/2003 11:31:18 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: FormerLib
You'd think they never heard about the concept of a consensus or why it is necessary to idenfity heresy as something outside the teachings of the whole.

Did you see the cover of Time "The lost gospels"? Seems all the old heresies are new again.....

14 posted on 12/20/2003 11:35:31 AM PST by NeoCaveman (The only thing found in the middle of the road are yellow streaks and roadkill)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Yeah, "Lost Gospels" my foot!

"Ancient Forgeries" just wouldn't fit their anti-Christian bias now, would it?
15 posted on 12/20/2003 12:50:16 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: gcruse
Evil means will only yield poisoned fruit, from a Biblical perspective, anyway.

Not that I'd expect you to know that.
16 posted on 12/20/2003 12:51:28 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: FormerLib
"Ancient Forgeries" just wouldn't fit their anti-Christian bias now, would it?

No it certainly would not.

And they timed it just in time fro Christmas

Their bias becomes clearer and clearer.

17 posted on 12/20/2003 12:55:33 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The only thing found in the middle of the road are yellow streaks and roadkill)
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To: FormerLib
***I am always amused at these guys who come up with this stuff as if it were a new discovery. ***

Pertness annd ignorance will ask a question in three lines, which will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer; and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject.
Bishop Horne 1831
18 posted on 12/20/2003 12:59:48 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: FormerLib
If we restrict the use of biblical similes to the bible, it sure avoids comparison with Marxism, doesn't it?

19 posted on 12/20/2003 1:22:30 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
Jesus:

The ends reveal the true nature of the means.


Moral relativism:

The ends justify the means.
20 posted on 12/20/2003 2:12:28 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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