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To: ET(end tyranny)
Yehoshua at the time of the seventh plague is announcing that time for earth has come to an end, and the second coming follows immediately. So, Yehoshua does not come back to earth until after all seven plagues have been poured out on the wicked. The faithful are NOT removed at any point prior to these plagues,

I agree, in part, that yes thee second coming Christ's return to EARTH does not happen until after the 7th bowl judgment. However, the rapture is a separate event from the 2nd coming.

1 Thessalonians 4 13:17
13 We believe that Jesus died and rose again. And because of what Jesus did, God will bring back with him those who have died.
14 We tell you what the Lord said. We who are still alive when the Lord comes, will not go ahead of those who have died.
15 The Lord himself will come down from heaven. There will be a shout, a great angel will speak, and God's loud horn or trumpet will be blown.

Notice that it says "a trumpet will be blown" not at the last trumpet blown.

16 Then we who are still alive on earth will be caught up together with those who were dead. We will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Note that the lord is met by the resurrected and those who are "still alive when the lord comes." Also note he meets them "in the air" he does NOT at this time, arrive IN the world.
This is where the church , or "bride" is collected and taken for the marriage supper. after the seal and bowl judgments are complete THEN the lord will return with the saints to set up his 1000 year reign, commencing shortly after the "great white throne judgment" that will be used to resurrect and judge the saints and people that lived in the Old Testament age.

And then we will be with the Lord forever!

1 Thessalonians 5
1 My brothers, you do not need anyone to write to you about the day or the year when these things will happened
2 You yourselves surely know that the day of the Lord will come just like a person who comes to steal in the night.
3 When people are saying, `Everything is quiet and safe,' they will be destroyed. It will all happen very quickly. And there will be no way out.

It goes on to warn the people to be vigilant in their belief in the lord and to encourage and help one another in spreading the word and love for the lord. I find this next part to be especially interesting.

11 My brothers, we beg you, tell this to people who do not do what they should do. Talk to those who fear, and say something that will make them strong. Help those who are weak. Be patient with all people.
24 I give you this order from the Lord. Read this letter to all the Christian brothers.

"I give you this order from the lord." Who instructs them to read this letter to all the Cristian brothers. Not all the churches, priests , prophets, ministers, or pastors but to their "Christian brothers" in Christ.

68 posted on 12/19/2003 7:05:43 PM PST by alexandria
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To: alexandria
The point is, that people are not spared the tribulation.

1 Thessalonians 4 13:17
14 We tell you what the Lord said. We who are still alive when the Lord comes, will not go ahead of those who have died.

Still alive. Meaning that some have perished. (the wicked/tares) The FIRST catching up or gathering is of the wicked for destruction. They are gathered first, thus the righteous endure the tribulation.

The tribulation IS the judgement, you CAN'T escape it.

79 posted on 12/20/2003 6:46:09 AM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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