What, did I sleep clean through another Saturday again??? I think ctd's now-classic promise is very applicable in deciding who "has business on these threads"...
I don't need to "pretend". Can you find any of the swarm that agree that 1 Timothy 2:4 is a declarative statement concerning all men without exception?
Oh, and btw, thanks for editing my quote without noting your edit. < /sarcasm >
"Are you claiming that 1 Tim 2:14 has no meaning when it comes to the matter of unconditional election..."
1 Timothy 2:4 is not directly concerned with Unconditional Election or Total Depravity. Either way of reading 1 Timothy 2:4 ("all without exception" or "all manner of") can be done without negating Unconditional Election or Total Depravity -as T.U.L.I.P. believing Spurgeon has shown us.
In other words, even though Spurgeon's interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:4 differs from other Calvinists, he still is in total agreement with us on:
"...or don't you know that predestination encompasses both Total Depravity and Unconditional Election?"
Predestination also encompases "Limited Atonement", "Irresistable Grace" and "Perseverence of the Saints".
1 Timothy 2:4 is not used to attack "Total Depravity" or "Unconditional Election" as much as it is used to attack "Limited Atonement".
While Spurgeon holds that the "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:4 includes "all men without exception", he still unabashadly holds to "Limited Atonement".
"If you can't figure this out, you you have no business on these threads."
Yet you have the ~GALL~ to suggest ~I~ have no business on these threads?
LOL! That's pretty funny!
Jean
Edwin Palmer would disagree with this claim. His book is quite clear that when he talks about predestination, he is limiting it to total depravity and unconditional election.
What, did I sleep clean through another Saturday again??? I think ctd's now-classic promise is very applicable in deciding who "has business on these threads"...