[drstevej]

I find MOST Arminians are inconsistent rather than thoughtful. They fully believe in free will and yet still ask God to dave people and change their hearts. Few draw the fine distinction you present.

BTW, is the prayer "Lord, bring unending conviction on my friend Bubba." encouraging Divine harassment/ brainwashing on the order of a cult that bends minds via incessant progaganda?

[xzins]

Not since "conviction" is the essence of "prevenient grace."

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

If he's thirsty and you stick the water right under his nose, and continue to stick it there, then there's a near-certainty that can be seen.

[xzins]

yet still ask God to dave people

Sometimes typos are so much fun! :>)

Now are you DAVED before you're Steve'd, or do you have to choose DAVE for yourself?

[P-Marlowe]

I find MOST Arminians are inconsistent rather than thoughtful. They fully believe in free will and yet still ask God to dave people and change their hearts.

I find MOST Calvinists are inconsistent rather than thoughtful. They fully believe in unconditional divine election and unchangeable predestination and yet still ask God to dave people and change their hearts.

If people's hearts are going to be changed in a Calvinistic way, then they are not going to be changed at all. They will simply do what they were created to do in the first place at the time and place that God created their hearts to "change".

If the prayer of an Arminan that God intervene in the life of their friend Bubba to bring him to "Daving" faith is inconsistent, then isn't it equally inconsistent for a Calvinist to pray for someone's Dalvation, since there is literally nothing that such a prayer can possibly accomplish?

Why would any Calvinist pray for someone's Dalvation? "Lord predestine my friend bubba before the foundation of the Earth."

BTW I believe that you can pray that prayer now and God can STILL predestine him from the foundation of the earth.