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To: drstevej
Thanks for the gentle and sane words, drstevej.

Emphasis mine:
The study of Scripture and reading what Calvinists say (as opposed to caricatures of Calvinism) moved me from Arminianism to Calvinism (the 4 point variety).

You're helping me illustrate my point here. The divisions within Calvinism alone are evidence for the need for care and humility in our approach to disagreements. Granted I know this thread is focused on Arminianism, but removing Arminianism from the sphere hardly eliminates all dispute.

Reminds me of the following joke, with which I'll end my participation in this thread:

A guy is standing at the edge of a bridge, ready to jump off, when a second man runs up to stop him.
"Don't do it!" He says. "You must have something to live for! There must be something I can tell you to help you want to live. What about your faith in God? Do you believe in God?"
"Yes! I do! I'm a Christian, actually."
"Great! Me too! Catholic or Protestant?"
"Protestant."
"ME TOO! Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, C.O.G.?"
"Lutheran!"
"I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! ME TOO!"
"German Lutheran or American Lutheran?"
"American."
"ME TOO! What friends we can be! Wisconsin Synod or Missouri?"
"Wisconsin!"
"Die, heretic!" says the second man, and pushes the first off the bridge...

37 posted on 12/01/2003 1:34:50 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
Am familiar with the joke, but prefer the version told by Emo Phillips.

Do you really understand the difference between Calvinism and Amyrauldianism (4 point Calvinism)? If you do you realize that Amyrauldians are clearly in the Calvinistic camp, differing on the order of the decree and a text or two.

On the otherhand, Arminianism is a radically different perspective on God and man. So don't misunderstand what is at stake here in the discussion.

Keep participating, you have more to learn. Participating helps sharpen your understanding.
40 posted on 12/01/2003 2:37:39 PM PST by drstevej (There is no Free Will in Heaven)
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To: mcg1969
Another version of that joke here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1027410/posts?page=480#480

86 posted on 12/02/2003 6:54:11 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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