And I think you still owe drstevej an explanation in your own words of just how God's love is defined.
drstevj does not think the words of the Bible cannot adequately explain or illustrate the love of God. He apparently thinks something needs to be added to scripture.
If you think you can improve on the Bible, give it a try.
The only citations from Palmers book that you have provided in order to "prove" that he is a "hyper-Calvinist" was here: Post #98 on the "NIV Footnotes" thread. In that post, you were attempting to show that Palmer was a hyper-Calvinist by quoting him saying that all things are foreordained by God.
Your contention was that a "hyper-Calvinist" was a person who believed that all things -including all sin- were foreordained by God. It should also be noted that even though you never gave the definition of "hyper-Calvinist" in your own words -you attributed the correct definition of "hyper-Calvinist" to Philip Johnson's A Primer on Hyper-Calvinism website.
No where does Philip Johnson define "hyper-Calvinism" as a belief that all things -including all sin- are foreordained by God.
In fact, in the very next post (Post #99), I showed that the Belgic Confession as well as the Heidelberg Catechism profess this very truth.
A few months later, you attempted to prove your contention one more time by quoting Palmer in Post #290 of the "Predestination: Are You Just a Pawn" thread.
Once again, I will note, that this is an attempt to link Palmers belief that God foreordained all things -including sin- as "hyper-Calvinist". That was never one of Philip Johnson's criteria for being a "hyper-Calvinist".
Then, you attempted to repost your first quotation of Edwin Palmer in your Post #99 on "The Institutes Book 1, Chapter 3" thread.
In my response Post #101 I noted that the belief that God has foreordained or predetermined all things -including all sin- is basic to Calvinism. I quoted Calvin himself as professing this very belief. In addition to my previous quotations from the Belgic Confession and the Heidelberg Catechism, I also quoted from the Westminster Confession that also supports this belief.
You never quoted from Palmer again. However, you did continue on your attempt to equate "hyper-Calvinism" with the belief that God foreordained/predetermined all things -including all sin.
In response to this, in my Post #617 of the "Arminianism -- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Pelagianism" thread, I made a summary of no less than 7 major Calvinist confessions that professed the belief that God foreordained/predetermined all things -including all sin. I also included this same belief as expressed by John Calvin himself.
So, for review, you have claimed that Edwin Palmer is a "hyper-Calvinist". While you steadfastly refused to define "hyper-Calvinism" yourself, you did defer to Philip Johnson's definition of "hyper-Calvinism". Philip Johnson never equates "hyper-Calvinism" with the belief that all things -including all sin- are predetermined/foreordained by God. That belief is part of mainstream Calvinism. It is not regulated ONLY to "hyper-Calvinism".
So, NO! -you have not provided any proof that Edwin Palmer is a "hyper-Calvinist" -only your silly notion Edwin Palmer's belief that all things -including all sin- were predetermined/foreordained by God is "hyper-Calvinism". That is not "hyper-Calvinism" -that is Basic Reformed Theology 101.So, put up or shut your trap!
If you have a quote that shows Philip Johnson to be a "hyper-Calvinist", then post it. If not, then shut up. (remember: "hyper-Calvinism is NOT the belief that God foreordained/predetermined all things -including all sin.)
Jean
Except you were asked to provide your definition of God's love in your own words.
Since we don't know how ~you~ understand a specific quote from the Bible, it is imperetive for good discussion for a person making a claim to give the understanding of a specific text in his own words according to his own understanding.
If quoting a text without expounding on that text was all that was necessary, why do we have ministers of the Gospell preach in our churches? They explain the text.
You steadfastly refuse to do that.
We all know that one person's understanding of a specific text is not the same as another's understanding. That is why it is important for you to define God's love in your own words.
Anything else is just a weak cop-out.
Jean
The problem as I have noted above, is that you have indicated that "hyper-Calvinism" is the belief that God has predetermined/foreordained all things -including all sin.
Not only is that definition missing from your authorative source of the definition of "hyper-Calvinism" (Philip Johnson's article), the belief that God predetermines/foreordains all things is common to all the major Calvinist confessions including Calvin's works himself.
Jean
You have never provided a quote from Spurgeon that defines "hyper-Calvinism".
In the article you linked to in your post, Spurgeon never once even mentions "hyper-Calvinism".
Jean
Non of the FR Calvinists have ~EVER~ claimed that there is no such thing as "hyper-Calvinim" or "hyper-Calvinists".
Why would you consider my disputation that Edwin Palmer is a "hyper-Calvinist" as a denial of the existance of "hyper-Calvinism" or of "hyper-Calvinists"?
Jean
"And I think you still owe drstevej an explanation in your own words of just how God's love is defined." -Jean Chauvin
"drstevj does not think the words of the Bible cannot adequately explain or illustrate the love of God. He apparently thinks something needs to be added to scripture."
Again, you have been consistently asked for a definition IN YOUR OWN WORDS!!!!
"If you think you can improve on the Bible, give it a try."
Since the Bible is often erroneously interpretted, it is important that we know how you-yourself understand a given passage. That is why you have been asked to give the definition IN YOUR OWN WORDS!!!!
Jean