BRUCE ALMIGHTY: Atheism's Critique of Arminianism

[drstevej]

Bruce Nolan (Carrey), a television reporter in Buffalo, N.Y.,is discontented with almost everything in life despite his popularity and the love of his girlfriend, Grace (Aniston) . At the end of the worst day of his life, Bruce angrily ridicules and rages against God and God responds. God appears in human form (Freeman) and, endowing Bruce with divine powers, challenges Bruce to take on the big job to see if he can do it any better.

 

Bruce Nolan:       How do you make someone love you without changing free will?
God:                     Welcome to my world.

[CCWoody]

If the "proof" in your RICO case is anything like the "proof" you have attempted to present to show Edwin Palmer is a "hyper-Calvinist", then I think that you are in deep doo-doo. ~ JC

ROTFLMAO!

Woody.

[conservonator]

What a pleasant coincidence; last night on the EWTN Daily Mass rebroadcast the priest said in his homily "...we practice a strange religion, we eat our God...” I had to smile. I can't remember the last time we were reminded about the very real nature of the Eucharis in my home parish.

[drstevej]

***Your friendly neighborhood Catholic Calvinist
Woody.***

Merely a plot for a higher spot in Pope Piel's Inquisitional staff.

-- Pope Piel I

[drstevej]

***What a pleasant coincidence; last night on the EWTN Daily Mass rebroadcast the priest said in his homily "...we practice a strange religion, we eat our God...”***

Entire threads have been deleted when Proddies make the same observation. Hmmmmm.

[Alex Murphy]

...last night on the EWTN Daily Mass rebroadcast the priest said in his homily "...we practice a strange religion, we eat our God...”

You can't make stuff like this up. Sounds like a transcript that would be worth obtaining.

[MarMema]

It is important not to quarrel over words if the doctrine the words refer to is the same.

My view is that the reduction to simplicity of the concept, or use of one word, begins to border on blasphemy.

[Wrigley]

Of course, you know that the priest was just giving his opinion on the matter. You can't take that as RCC doctrine.

[FormerLib]

Remind you of the filioque discussions?

[MarMema]

And, the fact that (any) man thinks he can box a description of it into two simple sentences I find to be lacking in phrenoma.

[MarMema]

we aren't contrary just for the sake of being contrary

Of course we are. We are contentious and inclined to particulism as well. Overly ethnic, reclusive, stagnant, and backwards,too, but we have the best food and bazaars in town and the most beautiful music of any church.

And only some of us dress like 18th century peasants or do not flinch when water is thrown at us. I can't get wax out of some of our clothing in spite of my years of experience, though I can get it out of the rug under the candlestands much easier.

And my husband trims his beard at least once a year.

[Alex Murphy]

...we have the best food and bazaars in town and the most beautiful music of any church.

One of my biggest stumbling blocks with Orthodoxy (at least the Greek and Russian forms) is it's too-close association and practice of a single ethnic/political culture. And, mind you, I have quite a bit of Greek blood in my family.

But, otherwise, I have to give Greek Orthodoxy bonus points on both items - it is good food, and it is beautiful music. I'd eat a gyros over a hamburger or pizza any day.

[MarMema]

efkaristo.

[Alex Murphy]

efkaristo.

gesundheit.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Would the repentance of Tyre and Sidon have affected Corozain and Bethsaida in any way? 263 posted on 12/03/2003 1:45 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker

Scripture does not inform us.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

BTW, OP, I am on the verge of rejecting the Baptist understanding of the Lord's Supper (at least as I understand it) of being limited as a memorial as being not enough. I certainly believe that minimally, but given that Paul has informed us (I don't care what my Episcopalian family says about Paul writing merely as a man -- they are wrong and I pray the Lord is willing to forgive them) that some have eaten unworthily and have become sick or even died as a result seems to me to indicate that there is something more. It is a fearful thing to take the cup of betrothal upon your lips, even if you really do belong to Him. ~~ CCWoody

RnMOM! Look what Woody's doing. He's going Catholic on us. Make him stop. ~~ Dr. Eckleburg

Now you boys play nice. Woody is just under the mistaken impression that adoption of the "Spiritual Presence" Doctrine of the Eucharist implies a rejection of the "Baptist Understanding" thereof.

However, to be more precise, Woody would simply be rejecting the "Zwinglian" understanding of the Lord's Supper, in favor of the "Reformed Baptist" or "Primitive Baptist" understanding thereof.

There is a doctrine of "the real presence" which the Baptist may hold, because it sets forth his personal experience. The phrase "the real presence" has been used to affirm the real presence of the flesh and blood of Christ in the bread and wine. But there is no reason for limiting its use in this manner. The Baptist, who rejects with loathing the doctrine of the physical presence of Christ in the supper, knows of his spiritual presence; and that, after all, is the only "real presence" for which he is concerned. There are two kinds of spiritual presence of Christ of which the Scriptures speak. First, there is his omnipresence as God, his immanence in his universe, so that he is in every place, even where we forget him and see Him not. But, again, there is a presence of manifestation. He is everywhere; but often, like Jacob, we awake from some carnal slumber and say: "Surely Jehovah is in this place, and I knew it not." At other times he is so manifest that "our hearts burn within us." It is for this presence of manifestation that we pray when we ask him to be with us. It is this that he has promised his assembled people: "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." It is of this that the disciple is conscious at the Lord’s supper:
"How sweet and awful is the place With Christ within the doors,
Where everlasting love displays The choicest of her stores."

The disciple, therefore, need only consult his own experience to find an answer to those who plead for unrestricted communion on the ground that the Lord’s supper is a mere club dinner, a mere daily meal, or a mere vague emblem.
Primitive Baptist Ministries

The "Spiritual Presence" Doctrine of the Eucharist is not limited to Presbyterians; it is a Doctrine held in perfect confidence by Primitive or "Old School" Baptists as well.

Now shake hands and make up.

Best, OP

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

How did Arminian AlmostMighty get turned into a discussion of Supper anyway?

Umm... these things just kinda happen that way. Go figure.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

There's something represented by the term that the Orthodox see as erroneous.

The $64,000 question - WHAT?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

And, the fact that (any) man thinks he can box a description of it into two simple sentences I find to be lacking in phrenoma.

Why would you say that? My standard Catholic Theology manual at home, "Fundementals of Catholic Dogma" by Ludwig Ott is 496 pages long. 45 pages (9%!) is spent discussing the Holy Eucharist. By way of contrast, the Holy Trinity gets "only" 29 pages. The only comparable length topics are the Incarnation at 50 pages, Grace at 51 pages, and Holy Church at 55 pages.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Of course we are. We are contentious and inclined to particulism as well. Overly ethnic, reclusive, stagnant, and backwards,too, but we have the best food and bazaars in town and the most beautiful music of any church.

That happens when you have to react to universalist "everyone's not Irish/Italian???" hyperrationalistic folks who just wish to pop every mystery and overanalyze everything until nothing sacred is left. Right?

;-)

[CARepubGal]

That is a really wonderful thing that the kids are doing. The church I attended did keep the antidoron in the hands of the priest and the service as a whole was a sort of "Wow! You mean church is more interesting and visually pleasing than a Kiwanis meeting (Mormon meetings are boring, and God was absent so the Orthodox meeting was a welcome change). Is Russian Orthodox significantly different than Antiochian (other than language and some local saints)?

For the record, my current church has a rather nice sanctuary but decoration is in the foyer and the social hall (with the coffee and snacks) ;)