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To: TheCrusader; OrthodoxPresbyterian
THE SEE OF ROME HOLDS PRIMACY AND AUTHORITY OVER THE WHOLE CHURCH:

Oh really?

Council Of Nicea

CANON VI.

LET the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.


NO PRIMACY!

266 posted on 11/25/2003 2:20:57 PM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
For the second time (first on this thread), what do you think that passage says, Reggie? In your own words?

I have a feeling you don't understand what it is you are reading.

SD

268 posted on 11/25/2003 2:32:42 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
Rome recognizes the authority of other patriarchs.

You wrote:Council Of Nicea

CANON VI.

LET the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.

NO PRIMACY!
272 posted on 11/25/2003 2:57:37 PM PST by dangus
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To: OLD REGGIE

NO PRIMACY!

Brings to mind a similar declaration:

"NON SERVIUM"

, ("I will not serve"), Satan's declaration to God.

Quotes from some famous Eastern Saints and Councils

"The Bishop of Constantinople shall hold the first rank after the Bishop of Rome, because Constantinople is the new Rome".

Council of Constantinople (Second General Council, Canon 3, (381 AD).

"There is one God, and Christ is one, and there is one Church, and one chair founded upon Peter".

Saint Cyprian: 'Letters', 39, 5, (3rd century).

"And when all were silent, for it was beyoned man's reach to learn, Peter, leader of the Apostles, and chief herald of the Church, uttering no refinement of his own..."

Saint Cyril of Jerusalem: "Catechetical Discourses, II, 3, (4th century)
"You cannot deny that you know that upon Peter first in the city of Rome was conferred the episcopal chair, on which sat Peter, the head of all the Apostles.."
Saint Optatus of Mileve - who came out of Egypt - "On the Schism of Donatists, 2, 2-3 - [4th century]

"He who deserts the chair of Peter on whom the Church has been founded, does he still believe that he is in the Church"?

Saint Cyprian, "On The Unity of The Catholic Church", 4. - 3rd century

"Peter, the leader of the choir, the mouth of all the apostles, the head of that tribe, the ruler of the whole world, the foundation of the Church, the ardent lover of Christ"

Saint John Chrysostom: "Homily on 2 Timothy", 3, I [4th century].

"The Savior confided to this man [Peter], as some special trust, the whole universal Church, after having asked him three times: 'Dost thou love me'?

Saint Asterius of Peter, a Bishop of Arabia, (Amasea), 'On the Cheif Holy Apostles, Peter and Paul' (395 AD).

279 posted on 11/25/2003 3:16:36 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: OLD REGGIE
Council Of Nicea

CANON VI.

LET the ancient customs in Egypt, Libya and Pentapolis prevail, that the Bishop of Alexandria have jurisdiction in all these, since the like is customary for the Bishop of Rome also. Likewise in Antioch and the other provinces, let the Churches retain their privileges. And this is to be universally understood, that if any one be made bishop without the consent of the Metropolitan, the great Synod has declared that such a man ought not to be a bishop. If, however, two or three bishops shall from natural love of contradiction, oppose the common suffrage of the rest, it being reasonable and in accordance with the ecclesiastical law, then let the choice of the majority prevail.

NO PRIMACY!

This is a canon concerning the ordinary government of the Church, which is not centered in Rome, but at the level of the Primatial Sees, which watch to keep order in each province. The right of appeal to Rome and her final doctrinal, moral, and disciplinary authority, the essence of her primacy, were understood by all and did not need re-annunciating. The Roman Law of Emperors Theodosius and Justinian explicitly recognize this, as does the common title of the Roman Pope as "Archbishop of the universal Church". This is why Bishop Hosius and two mere Priests, Vitus and Vitellus of Rome, presided over the Council of Nicea, despite their rank below the other Bishops present.

310 posted on 11/26/2003 6:51:14 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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