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To: Pyro7480; xzins
The title of co redemptrix is one that causes much confusion among both RC's and non RC's. I have heard it expressed in a variety of ways, some that are fairly consistent with what Pyro has said, and some that tend to elevate the role of Mary to participating in the crucifixion by a spiritual link to the actual suffering of Jesus (not an official view of the RCC by the way). I also personaly had contact with a group that wanted Mary to be declared a part of the God head (which really upset my RC friend in the class!), and once had a priest tell me that unless you have pray to Mary, Jesus will not let you into heaven. Needless to say, that didn't really impress me much. If I remember right, this issue has been dropped for now.

I did read the book “Who is My Mother?” by the authors listed in the original article. In general, I was not all that impressed. It kind of struck me as shoddy work that tended to quote itself. I have read much better discussions of Mary that take a much more scholarly approach. To be honest, it reminded me of some of the King James Only stuff
34 posted on 11/19/2003 8:45:03 PM PST by redgolum (I should know better than to post on Calvin threads......)
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To: redgolum; xzins; Maximilian; Pyro7480
once had a priest tell me that unless you have pray to Mary, Jesus will not let you into heaven

Many saints have said this. It is undoubtedly true, that to disdain the intercession of Mary is to close off the hope of salvation, since it is the same as disdaining the bestowal of the grace of God. The fifteenth anathema of the Second Council of Nicea (Ecumenical 7) reads:

(15) If anyone shall not confess the holy ever-virgin Mary, truly and properly the Mother of God, to be higher than every creature whether visible or invisible, and does not with sincere faith seek her intercessions as of one having confidence in her access to our God, since she bare him, let him be anathema!

Also:

(17) If anyone denies the profit of the invocation of Saints, let him be anathema!

The priest you mention was quite right.

39 posted on 11/20/2003 6:40:21 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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