[OLD REGGIE]

So why do you bring it up?

Because it seems you were justifying the practice.

"And it sounds harsh to suggest that the reformers should've risked death, but only when you realize the alternative they chose was war."

IOW Luther should have:
1. Submitted with his tail between his legs.
2. Passively resisted, trusted the promise of "safe passage" and accept the inevitable finding of guilty and allowed himself to be burned at the stake.
--or--
3. Being convinced the Pope was a liar, actively resisted the "invitation" to go to Rome, accepted the protection of Prince Frederick, and be accused of being solely responsible for the following "war".

Have you ever read the 95 Theses of Luther? Are you aware of the reforms made through the "Counter Reformation"? Do you believe the RCC was absoloutely correct especially in the sale of indulgences? Do you believe it was possible for a reformer to survive?

When you get to be a big boy you'll understand that the RCC earned the reformation.

[dangus]

>> When you get to be a big boy...

First off, knock off with the condescending crap.

>> Have you ever read the 95 Theses of Luther? Are you aware of the reforms made through the "Counter Reformation"?

Yes, and I think you make my point again: Ironically, the Church *made* most of the reforms Luther was pressing for.

>>IOW Luther should have:
>>1. Submitted with his tail between his legs.

Gee, that's quite obviously NOT how to change anything.

>>2. Passively resisted, trusted the promise of "safe passage" and accept the inevitable finding of guilty and allowed himself to be burned at the stake.

OK, ignore everything else I've said in this entire exchange, why don't you?

>>3. Being convinced the Pope was a liar, actively resisted the "invitation" to go to Rome, accepted the protection of Prince Frederick, and be accused of being solely responsible for the following "war".

Solely responsible? I never said solely responsible. That little indulgence-selling twit of a monk is certainly partly responsible. The Church is largely responsible; it could've done much more to avoid war. I've never asserted the church acted perfectly. I've only ever asserted that schism was not the proper response to the errors of the Church.

>> ...[T]he RCC earned the reformation.

I would readily state that had the Church acted perfectly as Christ would have, there would be no schisms. Again: I've only ever asserted that schism was not the proper response to the errors of the Church.