[Uri’el-2012]

One can only be forgiven for faults (sins) to which one admits AND for which one asks forgiveness.

There is no contradiction between Peter's writing and the logic here; and certainly no contradiction between those two items and the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Thus, belief in Christ constitutes a 'preliminary' foundation for obtaining forgiveness. Upon the foundation next go the bricks: acknowledgement(sic) of sins and request for forgiveness.

10 posted on 11/11/2003 12:50 PM MST by ninenot

Admitting one's sins and asking for forgiveness are all scriptural;

please provide the scriptural citation for indulgences.

a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

[ninenot]

none I know of...but I am not a theo major. Pinging brains

[ninenot]

But regarding teachings in general, I think that there are some Orthodox Jewish practices/beliefs which are not directly traceable to Scripture, either--thus, are from "tradition," whether oral or written/not Scripture.

(This is not an assault on your position...)

[Dajjal]

First of all, be mindful that some punishment after death are temporary (Purgatory), as Christ teaches in Matthew 5:26 and 18:34-35.

In 2 Machabees 12:46 we see that the prayers of the living can lift the suffering of the departed, and in Luke 16:24 that the sainted departed can assist the suffering departed.

Hence, the prayers, sacrifices, fastings, pieties, etc. -- even the martyrdoms -- of the stronger, more virtuous members of the Mystical Body of Christ, the Church, may be applied for the comfort of the weaker, more sinful members of the Mystical Body (Colossians 1:24).

As you know, Catholic beliefs are grounded in both Scripture and Tradition. We see that the earliest Christians believed that the martyrs could share the blessings they received when they shed their blood for Christ with the less fortunate members of the Church. Tertullian writes, "Which peace some, not having it in the Church, are accustomed to beg from the martyrs in prison; and therefore you should possess and cherish and preserve it in you that so you perchance may be able to grant it to others" (Ad martyres, c. i, P.L., I, 621). And St. Cyprian of Carthage writes, "Those who have received a libellus from the martyrs and with their help can, before the Lord, get relief in their sins, let such, if they be ill and in danger, after confession and the imposition of your hands, depart unto the Lord with the peace promised them by the martyrs " (Ep. xiii, P.L., IV, 261).

You may find more information at: Indulgences (Catholic Encyclopedia) and at

"The Doctrine on Indulgences" by Pope Paul VI (Jan. 1, 1967).